Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

bulgarianmilitary.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

231–240 of 297 posts

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

#231

Post by somenameforme »

actionfromafar wrote: post #226
somenameforme wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it wasn't a "trap" interview, if that's what you mean. It also wasn't a "pr tour" type interview of the sort we have repeatedly given Zelensky. I think the thing it reminded me most of was the old school days of interviews with people like Larry King.

Well, Larry King asked pretty tough questions when he interviewed Putin.

Yeah I was able to find a transcript of his interview with Putin [1] but oddly it does not seem to exist in YouTube in video format unfortunately. It's been years since I've watched him, but skimming through that transcript I can still hear his voice!

And yeah, I do think the two interviews are extremely similar in content. He asks significant and poignant questions, without fishing for trap stuff. So e.g. he asks most obviously why Putin invaded, what he even means by 'denazification', why he thinks Britain wanted Ukraine to fight, whether China may end up dominating (and thus undermining the point of) BRICS, the risks and possibilities around potential ongoing escalation, and other such questions.

Whenever I hear "hard hitting" in modern times, I just think of a journalist digging up some random dirt to try to shock the interviewee with, using argumentative fallacies like strawmen, and just generally doing whatever they can to agitate the interviewee and get some sensational headline or emotional response. And there was none of that.

[1] - http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/21558

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

#232

Post by amarant »

somenameforme wrote: post #184
actionfromafar wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way is the interview excellent?

It was not like an interview with a typical politician, which is perhaps not a surprise, but interesting nonetheless. He was happy to acknowledge when he didn't know things, gave numerous interesting insights in conversations he has had with other world leaders - while actively avoiding betraying their trust of confidence. He also displayed a rather encyclopedic knowledge of history which I found fascinating as a his…

Not to contradict you, but he did also say a few quite annoyingly incorrect things, like claiming it was the fault of Poland that they were invaded by Hitler.

Also the point where Tucker reached the conclusion that "only an idiot would believe that Russia is an expansionist power" sounds a lot like slurping sounds around Putin's private parts to me(Russia has invaded at least 3 neighbouring countries in the last decade)

The Hitler/Poland observation especially makes me think perhaps Putin would like to call it the Second World Special Military Operation, which isn't all that far from calling the Ukraine war by any other name than a war.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

#233

Post by somenameforme »

amarant wrote: post #232
somenameforme wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was not like an interview with a typical politician, which is perhaps not a surprise, but interesting nonetheless. He was happy to acknowledge when he didn't know things, gave numerous interesting insights in conversations he has had with other world leaders - while actively avoiding betraying their trust of confidence. He also displayed a rather encyclopedic knowledge of history which I found fascinating as a his…

Not to contradict you, but he did also say a few quite annoyingly incorrect things, like claiming it was the fault of Poland that they were invaded by Hitler. Also the point where Tucker reached the conclusion that "only an idiot would believe that Russia is an expansionist power" sounds a lot like slurping sounds around Putin's private parts to me(Russia has invaded at least 3 neighbouring countries in the last deca…

Tucker said nothing of the sort, nor did Putin claim it was Poland's fault they were invaded. Putin did, however, explain what Hitler's motivation was, The Free City of Danzig. [1] It was an area primarily populated with German peoples but 'granted' to Poland after WW1. Germany wanted it back, Poland refused, and eventually Germany ended up invading to get it back. This doesn't mean Germany's actions were right, nor Poland's wrong. It simply is what it is, and is obviously an extremely important part of history.

There's a transcript of the interview here [2]. It looks like an auto-translated version of the Russian transcript, and a rather terrible one at that. So I would take it with a grain of salt, but it should at least be a decent way of finding whichever topic you're interested in and correlating that against its location in the actual interview.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig

[2] - https://voxday.net/2024/02/09/tucker-putin-interview-complet...

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

#234

Post by belter »

somenameforme wrote: post #231
actionfromafar wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Larry King asked pretty tough questions when he interviewed Putin.

Yeah I was able to find a transcript of his interview with Putin [1] but oddly it does not seem to exist in YouTube in video format unfortunately. It's been years since I've watched him, but skimming through that transcript I can still hear his voice! And yeah, I do think the two interviews are extremely similar in content. He asks significant and poignant questions, without fishing for trap stuff. So e.g. he asks mo…

> Whenever I hear "hard hitting" in modern times, I just think of a journalist digging up some random dirt to try to shock the interviewee with, using argumentative fallacies like strawmen, and just generally doing whatever they can to agitate the interviewee and get some sensational headline or emotional response. And there was none of that.

> And there was none of that.

Yeap, no questions on Bucha and who did such a well documented atrocities...

Yeap, no questions on how people fall from windows, or get poisoned so easily in Russia and the Russian chemical attacks in the UK...

Yeap, no questions on the 20,000 Ukrainian children kidnapped into Russia...

Yeah none of that. An excellent articulated piece of propaganda.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

#235

Post by cduzz »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #189
cduzz wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to call on Cunningham's law here... (I'm not sure if I am right or wrong but I think I'm right and hopefully someone can correct me) I don't think starlink needs GPS as much as the starlink service is a form of GPS. The base station sees several satellites and the satellites know where they are and so the base station can triangulate where you are, and the whole system requires this precision location mecha…

Ehm. You need a precise clock for any form of GNSS[0] to function. AFAIR StarLink satellites doesn't have precise clock on the board. And anyway, modern GNSS chips are.. $1? Cheaper? No way you wouldn't use GNSS already deployed and working (and you are not paying for it) in a commercial product. [0] GPS is GNSS, it's just in America GPS became the synonym for GNSS

So -- for the purposes of locating a base station that's connected to the starlink network -- the starlink network would rely on the base station reporting it's location? Hopefully not... It certainly doesn't need to just trust it when it has direct observation available too.

I'm not suggesting that whatever GPSish thing you'd be able to get out of a pure starlink protocol communication would give you super resolution, but it'd certainly be enough to identify "Crimea" vs "Indian Ocean".

And as far as base station -> constellation -- putting a GPS receiver in it is of course smart to speed that up, but I'm not sure even that's necessary or just helpful.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

#236

Post by _heimdall »

geraldhh wrote: post #155
_heimdall wrote: post #72

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone propose the possibility that allowing Russia to use Starlimk is an espionage play. I have no idea if that's actually what's going on, but if it would give Starlink information on troop locations and open a door for listening in on all Starlink-based communications, you would want the public and Russia to believe the CEO is on their side. It would also align with the fact that Russi…

starlink meta data is surely being collected and used for sigint, thou i suspect russia has good enough mathematicians so that listening in on content is not on the table unless the endpoints are compromised.

I never know where the line is for assumptions on encryption and espionage. The Germans thought Enigma was unbreakable, you really just never know if you encryption was compromised unless the ones who cracked it tip their cards.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

#237

Post by inemesitaffia »

throwaway44023 wrote: post #215
inemesitaffia wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine this. SpaceX solves this by terminating every dish bought outside of Ukraine due to antagonist comments

Please, don't. That would disconnect dozens if not hundreds of Ukrainian units.

Why then essentially ask for that? It's tens of thousands btw

There's no list of allowed dishes? But you expect one bought by Russians and used in the same town as Ukrainians are using it not it work.

The supplier is given bad press. And you expect the enmity that already exists over Crimea not to increase?

There's no free lunch

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

#239

Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

yencabulator wrote: post #222
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're emitters though. I assume the US and Ukraine are already able to locate every emitter within minutes of them powering up.

They're highly directional though, so this is much harder than with old school radios. You might need to fly overhead to catch the emissions.

Right but they aren't perfect and have sidelobes like anything else.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

#240

Post by d1sxeyes »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #214
d1sxeyes wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia has always (somewhat fairly) been vocal that since the collapse of the Warsaw pact, Nato has no reason to exist other than to defend against a potential attack from Russia. Nato have always acted as though that's true, and have pursued expanding the alliance to countries bordering Russia, and established missile defence installations there. The closest we ever got to nuclear war was when Russia moved missiles…

> Which is odd, because Russia already has borders with Nato countries, and controlling Ukraine actually brings them closer to where Nato already has a strong foothold. A couple of minutes with a globe would answer many of those questions. Not the propaganda ones, of course.

No I just mean it’s a bit of an implausible explanation and requires Russian citizens to adopt doublethink. Not that they’re not used to it, just harder in the internet age.
Post reply on HN