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Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by dylan604 »

thfuran wrote: post #28
imoverclocked wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be interesting to know if an admission to pirating content on Reddit is actually admissible. I would think it falls under free speech. Eg: someone makes a parody of an old Monty Python song and states, “I’m a pirate and that’s ok.” Should this count in an age where the vast majority of legal notices in this genre are robo-lawyers? Should my internet connection be severed because a guest was bored and posted…

>I would think it falls under free speech. Yes, admitting to committing a crime is not in and of itself illegal. It does, however, make it a lot more likely you'll be tried and convicted for the crime you admitted to committing.

Just because the words came out of my mouth or from my finger tips typed into this little text area does not actually mean I did the thing I'm "admitting". I could be saying it for the clout. I could have said it but forgot the /s. I could be an actor performing the dialog. Where's the witness I actually typed it? Even if there is video, it's all fake news from an AI deep fake. Believe none of what your read or hear, and only half of what you see. Or some such.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by thfuran »

dylan604 wrote: post #51
thfuran wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I would think it falls under free speech. Yes, admitting to committing a crime is not in and of itself illegal. It does, however, make it a lot more likely you'll be tried and convicted for the crime you admitted to committing.

Just because the words came out of my mouth or from my finger tips typed into this little text area does not actually mean I did the thing I'm "admitting". I could be saying it for the clout. I could have said it but forgot the /s. I could be an actor performing the dialog. Where's the witness I actually typed it? Even if there is video, it's all fake news from an AI deep fake. Believe none of what your read or hear,…

I'm not sure what your point is. Nobody (in the us) is shipping people straight to prison on the basis of public admissions of guilt. You still shouldn't publicly admit to a crime.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by bithaze »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #4

> Voltage Holdings and Screen Media Ventures cited Reddit posts in which users say that Frontier didn't terminate their Internet service despite sending many copyright infringement notices about torrent downloads. One of the users wrote, "I got a total of 44 emails from frontier about downloading torrents and that it could terminate service. They haven't yet. And I kinda feel like if they didn't do it after 44 emails…

> What is Reddit's involvement other than their website being used for this communication?

I think that's it, which is why reddit is referred to as non-party in the motion.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by mondrian »

hamandcheese wrote: post #48
mondrian wrote: post #44

Btw doesn't increasing adoption of CGNAT [1] render useless these types of attempts to identify people based on IP address? A CGNAT IP address identifies multiple households. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT

Wouldn't ISPs keep logs of which IP:Port maps to which internal IP:Port at any given time? If not for law enforcement, at least so they can track you better and sell the data.

Yeah that's true. You need the data from both the ISP and reddit, and correlate using timestamps from both sides. That's true of VPNs, too. If multiple people with the same external IP were browsing reddit around the same time, the argument in court would likely become about the accuracy of timestamps.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

saghm wrote: post #35
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #4

> Voltage Holdings and Screen Media Ventures cited Reddit posts in which users say that Frontier didn't terminate their Internet service despite sending many copyright infringement notices about torrent downloads. One of the users wrote, "I got a total of 44 emails from frontier about downloading torrents and that it could terminate service. They haven't yet. And I kinda feel like if they didn't do it after 44 emails…

I suspect the conversations went something like this: Film industry lawyer: Tell us everyone who pirated our movies. Frontier lawyer: We've told you everyone we know of. Film industry lawyer: What about those people on reddit bragging about getting away with it? Frontier lawyer: We don't have any way of knowing if those are actual customers, let alone if they're telling the truth. If you have a specific IP you want u…

I'm actually kind of surprised Reddit didn't just cooperate? As a company which frankly has been acting with particular contempt for users of late, how does Reddit profit from fighting this?

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by dylan604 »

thfuran wrote: post #52
dylan604 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because the words came out of my mouth or from my finger tips typed into this little text area does not actually mean I did the thing I'm "admitting". I could be saying it for the clout. I could have said it but forgot the /s. I could be an actor performing the dialog. Where's the witness I actually typed it? Even if there is video, it's all fake news from an AI deep fake. Believe none of what your read or hear,…

I'm not sure what your point is. Nobody (in the us) is shipping people straight to prison on the basis of public admissions of guilt. You still shouldn't publicly admit to a crime.

Just pointing out how ridiculous some post on a forum being used as evidence sounds.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by pharmakom »

zahma wrote: post #40
pharmakom wrote: post #39

I assume the pirates are using Tor or a proxy anyway though?

It doesn’t seem like the pirates who were described in the article were behind any kind of proxy, which is why the ISP Frontier repeatedly wrote them to desist. They were pirating on the clearnet without any obfuscation. Pretty dumb and easily the lowest hanging fruit for copyright enforcement. Using Tor for streaming or large downloads probably won’t result in great quality or quick speeds. Using Tor for browsing an…

Well they don’t need Reddit to see who is seeding. But posting to Reddit can easily be done through Tor or proxies.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by gryn »

dylan604 wrote: post #51
thfuran wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I would think it falls under free speech. Yes, admitting to committing a crime is not in and of itself illegal. It does, however, make it a lot more likely you'll be tried and convicted for the crime you admitted to committing.

Just because the words came out of my mouth or from my finger tips typed into this little text area does not actually mean I did the thing I'm "admitting". I could be saying it for the clout. I could have said it but forgot the /s. I could be an actor performing the dialog. Where's the witness I actually typed it? Even if there is video, it's all fake news from an AI deep fake. Believe none of what your read or hear,…

yes, but now it makes it easier to go look for the evidence on you specifically for the crime you claimed to commit.

you know, instead of fishing in the large.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by rPlayer6554 »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #55
saghm wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the conversations went something like this: Film industry lawyer: Tell us everyone who pirated our movies. Frontier lawyer: We've told you everyone we know of. Film industry lawyer: What about those people on reddit bragging about getting away with it? Frontier lawyer: We don't have any way of knowing if those are actual customers, let alone if they're telling the truth. If you have a specific IP you want u…

I'm actually kind of surprised Reddit didn't just cooperate? As a company which frankly has been acting with particular contempt for users of late, how does Reddit profit from fighting this?

People like their anonymity on Reddit. Every action reddit takes to make it less anonymous looks really bad. That kind of thing scares people and reddit already has some PR problems.

Re: Reddit beats film industry again, won't have to reveal pirates' IP addresses

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Post by kossTKR »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #55
saghm wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the conversations went something like this: Film industry lawyer: Tell us everyone who pirated our movies. Frontier lawyer: We've told you everyone we know of. Film industry lawyer: What about those people on reddit bragging about getting away with it? Frontier lawyer: We don't have any way of knowing if those are actual customers, let alone if they're telling the truth. If you have a specific IP you want u…

I'm actually kind of surprised Reddit didn't just cooperate? As a company which frankly has been acting with particular contempt for users of late, how does Reddit profit from fighting this?

If word spread that Reddit would name people writing specific comments about various "controversial" topics i think millions would flee?

The entire spirit of Reddit is because of anonymity, from askreddit, to intimate questions, to political talk. Also there's lots of lying, fantasy, larping and fiction.

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