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Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Totally agree. This is behavior of authoritative and totalitarian governments, who demand to have so much authority and power, that they need to attack and undermine the most successfully businesses, bending the laws to do so (or creating abusive laws that give them the power to do so). France authorities also recently ransacked Nvidias office in France: https://www.reuters.com/technology/nvidias-french-offices-ra...…

Governments which are still closer to being democratically elected than the C-suite of these "successful companies". I'll take the lesser of the two evils, thanks.

You 'vote' when you choose to buy or refrain from buying the product. That's a much-louder voice than you are able to exercise at the ballot box.

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Governments which are still closer to being democratically elected than the C-suite of these "successful companies". I'll take the lesser of the two evils, thanks.

These C-suite successful companies were at least built and designed by successful people, who succeeded by being moral human beings at least more moral than most scummy politicians. Even if the C-suite companies are no longer directed by them, which some of them are, their culture of being moral human beings tend to live on. Politicians on the other hand, like Mr. Trump, are usually born-rich buffoons who do anything…

So what’s the solution?

Usually these discussions get end with everything being miraculously cured if we all go libertarian.

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These C-suite successful companies were at least built and designed by successful people, who succeeded by being moral human beings at least more moral than most scummy politicians. Even if the C-suite companies are no longer directed by them, which some of them are, their culture of being moral human beings tend to live on. Politicians on the other hand, like Mr. Trump, are usually born-rich buffoons who do anything…

>These C-suite successful companies were at least built and designed by successful people, who succeeded by being moral human beings The Great Man theory is trumped by the "Went to the right schools and my parents have connections" theory. For both C-suite and politicians.

Politicians on the other hand wield their power on these matters without contention or rebuke - they ransack companies and nobody can say anything or do anything about it! That's the difference.

In the face of politicians vs C-suite business men, you know, it's the politicians that have the authority and power, and they are at the crux to yield it responsibly. C-suite business men are like ants to the politicians - powerless in comparison with the powers of the lawmakers.

As a result, it's not so much of C-suite business men being just, as it's about politicians being unjust.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Good luck France. Remember what happened to Canada after the Meng Wanzhou situation? Wasn't great. Not saying don't enforce the laws, just... good luck.

What exactly did happen to Canada? Were they wiped of the map or something?

Canada isn't real. It's just a Chinese PsyOp.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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See! The authorities don't even have a tangible reason, they just search because they want to. Now, because this is Huawei, I don't disagree per se, but that's a different matter. This company should just be outright banned from Europe.

"A crime that is obscurely titled to those who aren't in France" is not at all the same as "don't even have a tangible reason". If you want to assert that they don't have a tangible reason, what is your actual evidence for that assertion?

Yeah, I'm assuming, but I also make that clear with my statement, that I'm basing my statement only on what the person above me wrote. That doesn't mean either that I believe 100% what I wrote myself, but they're important ideas that should be said anyways because these things are happening whether it's happening in this case or not doesn't actually matter.

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Governments which are still closer to being democratically elected than the C-suite of these "successful companies". I'll take the lesser of the two evils, thanks.

You 'vote' when you choose to buy or refrain from buying the product. That's a much-louder voice than you are able to exercise at the ballot box.

Yes! Exactly, this too.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Governments don't care about "successful" companies (whatever that means) as long as they pay taxes and don't make it so obvious when they break laws that it makes them look bad if they don't react. Governments can and have to intervene if they feel that companies threaten their power and authority. To prevent that, it usually helps to lobby well. Unless they are perceived to be organs of a foreign, unfriendly govern…

In America, sure. Come over to Europe where successful companies are the politician's escape-goat. "The world is burning, and it's because of the rich, business owners, and high paying businessmen". Furthermore, the European elite hate the successful american companies with a passion, and they purposely undermine them to help their own companies instead.

I don’t know that you’re wrong, but are the US elites any better?

There have been plenty of scandals where the US has engineered spying to help US companies [1]. Corruption is corruption except when it’s international and in your own nations interest.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/21/business/us-snooping-on-c...

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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These C-suite successful companies were at least built and designed by successful people, who succeeded by being moral human beings at least more moral than most scummy politicians. Even if the C-suite companies are no longer directed by them, which some of them are, their culture of being moral human beings tend to live on. Politicians on the other hand, like Mr. Trump, are usually born-rich buffoons who do anything…

So what’s the solution? Usually these discussions get end with everything being miraculously cured if we all go libertarian.

> Usually these discussions get end with everything being miraculously cured if we all go libertarian.

Well, going more libertarian would be a great start.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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What exactly did happen to Canada? Were they wiped of the map or something?

Canada isn't real. It's just a Chinese PsyOp.

What is it with Super Powers being in conflict with their own covert ops?

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Just enforcing the law. Happens all the time https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/24/google-of...

French news mentions that the alleged crime is atteinte à la probité or lack of probity. In other words, things like corruption, influence peddling and so on. There are scant few details available, but this might be something more serious than just plain old tax evasion.

While Alcatel, Nokia, Ericsson, had to play by the rules of their countries (not bribing officials in foreign locations), Huawei was able to gobble up most of the bids across Asia and Africa. While the Western telco players were held accountable in their bidding process, Huawei managed to gain a competitive advantage by playing under a different set of rules.

For this reason it's impossible for any multinational to compete against Huawei while following the laws. (at least it was all the way until 2015 and by then the ship has sailed).

The idea that Huawei was just better at innovation etc isn't true either since how much of these (5G) patents came to be created is another horror story.

Eventually Huawei gobbled up all the R&D in France, Italy and Germany that previously belonged to us. Lot of people that got laid off from their previous employer simply switched to Huawei working on the same thing. You could work on cutting edge tech for Siemens in Milan one day, and a few months later worked for Huawei on the same topic.

In no other place was the IP theft so visible as in the ETSI standards workgroups (based in france). At ETSI workshops Huawei was "shining" with their active participation and with European based engineers from Italy, France, and Germany - while the other players were slowly dying and could barely afford sending people to these workshops or put them on full-time job for standards ... The reason they could do it is because they simply didn't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us.

the biggest criminals of course aren't Huawei execs but Telecom CxO's that knew how their companies got ripped off but still decided it was a great idea to create a site in China to off-shore some of the work. They sold out not just their companies in exchange for a fat bonus but an entire industry.

[1] https://www.dw.com/en/siemens-chief-promises-full-explanatio...

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