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Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by personomas »

boricj wrote: post #42
gmerc wrote: post #8

Just enforcing the law. Happens all the time https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/24/google-of...

French news mentions that the alleged crime is atteinte à la probité or lack of probity. In other words, things like corruption, influence peddling and so on. There are scant few details available, but this might be something more serious than just plain old tax evasion.

See! The authorities don't even have a tangible reason, they just search because they want to.

Now, because this is Huawei, I don't disagree per se, but that's a different matter. This company should just be outright banned from Europe.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by alwa »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #51
lorkios wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uber_Files#Kill_switch Uber implemented a kill switch to prevent government law enforcement from accessing (potentially) incriminating or sensitive information during onsite investigations. When activated, the kill switch would effectively cut off access to Uber's data for the location being raided. Expecting companies to fully cooperate with state agencies might not always be realistic.…

something like this is trivial to implement via a canary token. E.g.: a folder on the Desktop that is named "Juicy-Files" (or something similar) which when opened performs an action (e.g. an alert out of bad, or even deletion of actual secrets in some other location).

Wouldn’t ordinary forensic practice involve operating on an image of the device rather than the device itself?

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by martinsnow »

HermitX wrote: post #46
martinsnow wrote: post #38

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I hope you and your sharp opinions make you happy. You don't need to worry about what kind of person I am.

You defend terrible people and a terrible regime. That makes you per definition a bad person.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by samus »

personomas wrote: post #52
kergonath wrote: post #44

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> Totally agree. This is behavior of authoritative and totalitarian governments, who demand to have so much authority and power, that they need to attack and undermine the most successfully businesses, bending the laws to do so (or creating abusive laws that give them the power to do so). This is the kind of things police will do if they have a warrant (or the local equivalent) in any sane democracy. Democracy does n…

> This is the kind of things police will do if they have a warrant (or the local equivalent) in any sane democracy. Democracy does not mean that we have to let companies get away with crime or nicely tell them before a search so they can destroy evidence. Democracy also doesn't mean that the authorities should ransack successful companies on a mere whim. Democracy also doesn't mean that the states and government shou…

Governments don't care about "successful" companies (whatever that means) as long as they pay taxes and don't make it so obvious when they break laws that it makes them look bad if they don't react. Governments can and have to intervene if they feel that companies threaten their power and authority. To prevent that, it usually helps to lobby well. Unless they are perceived to be organs of a foreign, unfriendly government of course.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by personomas »

samus wrote: post #64
personomas wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the kind of things police will do if they have a warrant (or the local equivalent) in any sane democracy. Democracy does not mean that we have to let companies get away with crime or nicely tell them before a search so they can destroy evidence. Democracy also doesn't mean that the authorities should ransack successful companies on a mere whim. Democracy also doesn't mean that the states and government shou…

Governments don't care about "successful" companies (whatever that means) as long as they pay taxes and don't make it so obvious when they break laws that it makes them look bad if they don't react. Governments can and have to intervene if they feel that companies threaten their power and authority. To prevent that, it usually helps to lobby well. Unless they are perceived to be organs of a foreign, unfriendly govern…

In America, sure. Come over to Europe where successful companies are the politician's escape-goat. "The world is burning, and it's because of the rich, business owners, and high paying businessmen".

Furthermore, the European elite hate the successful american companies with a passion, and they purposely undermine them to help their own companies instead.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by madeofpalk »

personomas wrote: post #61
boricj wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

French news mentions that the alleged crime is atteinte à la probité or lack of probity. In other words, things like corruption, influence peddling and so on. There are scant few details available, but this might be something more serious than just plain old tax evasion.

See! The authorities don't even have a tangible reason, they just search because they want to. Now, because this is Huawei, I don't disagree per se, but that's a different matter. This company should just be outright banned from Europe.

> This company should just be outright banned from Europe.

You don't even need a tangible reason! Just because you want to!

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by personomas »

madeofpalk wrote: post #66
personomas wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See! The authorities don't even have a tangible reason, they just search because they want to. Now, because this is Huawei, I don't disagree per se, but that's a different matter. This company should just be outright banned from Europe.

> This company should just be outright banned from Europe. You don't even need a tangible reason! Just because you want to!

No, the reasons go on and on. China is a f***ing wrecking ball, and Huawei is one of their little puppets into the West.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by tclancy »

personomas wrote: post #58
sgu999 wrote: post #33

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Governments which are still closer to being democratically elected than the C-suite of these "successful companies". I'll take the lesser of the two evils, thanks.

These C-suite successful companies were at least built and designed by successful people, who succeeded by being moral human beings at least more moral than most scummy politicians. Even if the C-suite companies are no longer directed by them, which some of them are, their culture of being moral human beings tend to live on. Politicians on the other hand, like Mr. Trump, are usually born-rich buffoons who do anything…

>These C-suite successful companies were at least built and designed by successful people, who succeeded by being moral human beings

The Great Man theory is trumped by the "Went to the right schools and my parents have connections" theory. For both C-suite and politicians.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

alwa wrote: post #62
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

something like this is trivial to implement via a canary token. E.g.: a folder on the Desktop that is named "Juicy-Files" (or something similar) which when opened performs an action (e.g. an alert out of bad, or even deletion of actual secrets in some other location).

Wouldn’t ordinary forensic practice involve operating on an image of the device rather than the device itself?

the comment I was replying to talked about a kill-switch or some kind of method to respond to an intrusion. agree that this would not be useful to defend against forensics on a cold image/drive.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

personomas wrote: post #61
boricj wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

French news mentions that the alleged crime is atteinte à la probité or lack of probity. In other words, things like corruption, influence peddling and so on. There are scant few details available, but this might be something more serious than just plain old tax evasion.

See! The authorities don't even have a tangible reason, they just search because they want to. Now, because this is Huawei, I don't disagree per se, but that's a different matter. This company should just be outright banned from Europe.

"A crime that is obscurely titled to those who aren't in France" is not at all the same as "don't even have a tangible reason". If you want to assert that they don't have a tangible reason, what is your actual evidence for that assertion?
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