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Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

lorkios wrote: post #24
reaperman wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Odd to me that for companies like Google the state doesn't believe they can get what they need from simple subpoenas, but rather feel they need to forcibly seize records in person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uber_Files#Kill_switch Uber implemented a kill switch to prevent government law enforcement from accessing (potentially) incriminating or sensitive information during onsite investigations. When activated, the kill switch would effectively cut off access to Uber's data for the location being raided. Expecting companies to fully cooperate with state agencies might not always be realistic.…

something like this is trivial to implement via a canary token. E.g.: a folder on the Desktop that is named "Juicy-Files" (or something similar) which when opened performs an action (e.g. an alert out of bad, or even deletion of actual secrets in some other location).

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by personomas »

kergonath wrote: post #44
personomas wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agree. This is behavior of authoritative and totalitarian governments, who demand to have so much authority and power, that they need to attack and undermine the most successfully businesses, bending the laws to do so (or creating abusive laws that give them the power to do so). France authorities also recently ransacked Nvidias office in France: https://www.reuters.com/technology/nvidias-french-offices-ra...…

> Totally agree. This is behavior of authoritative and totalitarian governments, who demand to have so much authority and power, that they need to attack and undermine the most successfully businesses, bending the laws to do so (or creating abusive laws that give them the power to do so). This is the kind of things police will do if they have a warrant (or the local equivalent) in any sane democracy. Democracy does n…

> This is the kind of things police will do if they have a warrant (or the local equivalent) in any sane democracy. Democracy does not mean that we have to let companies get away with crime or nicely tell them before a search so they can destroy evidence.

Democracy also doesn't mean that the authorities should ransack successful companies on a mere whim. Democracy also doesn't mean that the states and government should exercise their power limitlessly, nor turn their power into oppressing the people.

> How’s the US government handling Huawei again? Did the Atlantic Ocean close overnight?

This isn't about Huawei. The OP above me wrote about Google, and I included Nividia.

> Also, what makes you think that police investigations are more common than they used to be?

Obviously, this isn't something I'm going to be able to prove. Not all my arguments need to be backed by some sort of a sourceable evidence. If you don't want to believe this part of my statement, then don't, it's up to the reader to form their own opinion - that by no means discredits my post, since I'm obviously giving my opinion and you don't have to agree.

> Search, that’s the word you’re looking for.

Ransacked: search through (a place or receptacle) to find something, especially in such a way as to cause disorder and damage.

^ Yup, that's the one.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by dbmajorkey »

AlbertCory wrote: post #45
Log_out_ wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should count as admission of guilt for all alleged crimes.

"spoliation" is the term you're after. https://civilprocedure.uslegal.com/discovery/spoliation-of-e...

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Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

squarefoot wrote: post #49

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works flawlessly with Frefox UO.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by navigate8310 »

mrtksn wrote: post #32
reaperman wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Odd to me that for companies like Google the state doesn't believe they can get what they need from simple subpoenas, but rather feel they need to forcibly seize records in person.

>companies like Google Is it because Google's mantra is "Don't be evil", therefore they will be truthful with their records and companies not employing such a mantra might destroy evindence therefore can to be raided?

Google did destroy messages that may have been evidence in antitrust suit

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by [deleted] »

reaperman wrote: post #21
Leary wrote: post #16

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Yeah, China arrested Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, the latter later admitted he was used by Michael Kovrig to pass intelligence information to the Canadian spy agencies. [1] The Canada paid them off to remain silent [2]. [1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-spavor-kovrig... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-ready-pay-sett...

Source [1] says: > China subjected Mr. Spavor to lengthy interrogation sessions, according to one of the sources. He was drugged, forced to sit in a chair for long hours and subjected to threats of execution, the source said. Mr. Spavor admitted to the Chinese interrogators, the source said, that he provided information to Mr. Kovrig. I'd only be able to trust statements that were made freely. Have either of these tw…

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Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by squarefoot »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #54
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works flawlessly with Frefox UO.

Yes, I nailed down the extension it doesn't like: "I still don't care about cookies" whose purpose is to get rid of the cookies nag windows opening on most sites.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by personomas »

sgu999 wrote: post #33
personomas wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agree. This is behavior of authoritative and totalitarian governments, who demand to have so much authority and power, that they need to attack and undermine the most successfully businesses, bending the laws to do so (or creating abusive laws that give them the power to do so). France authorities also recently ransacked Nvidias office in France: https://www.reuters.com/technology/nvidias-french-offices-ra...…

Governments which are still closer to being democratically elected than the C-suite of these "successful companies". I'll take the lesser of the two evils, thanks.

These C-suite successful companies were at least built and designed by successful people, who succeeded by being moral human beings at least more moral than most scummy politicians. Even if the C-suite companies are no longer directed by them, which some of them are, their culture of being moral human beings tend to live on.

Politicians on the other hand, like Mr. Trump, are usually born-rich buffoons who do anything to win, and after they win, many of them exercise their power with intolerance and arrogance. Politicians climb the ranks using their money and power, not by developing technical skills, or learning important crafts.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by samus »

crispyambulance wrote: post #50
lorkios wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uber_Files#Kill_switch Uber implemented a kill switch to prevent government law enforcement from accessing (potentially) incriminating or sensitive information during onsite investigations. When activated, the kill switch would effectively cut off access to Uber's data for the location being raided. Expecting companies to fully cooperate with state agencies might not always be realistic.…

I suppose such a kill switch could work, but it really depends on the training of the people who would pull that switch. Would they do it as soon as polite dudes in suits walk in? Would chaos ensue if the switch were pulled in a false alarm? If not, then it's "reversible" and an employee could be coerced into flipping it back, right?

It might just delete hard disk decryption keys. The backup might be in a C-suit's relatives' safe, possibly offshore.

Re: Huawei's offices in France raided by financial prosecutors

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Post by personomas »

bobthepanda wrote: post #39
reaperman wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Odd to me that for companies like Google the state doesn't believe they can get what they need from simple subpoenas, but rather feel they need to forcibly seize records in person.

Unannounced raids allow seizure before destruction. You can destroy things fairly quickly. The Stasi destroyed more than a million records in less than a night. And in 2024 it takes a button click. https://www.stasi-unterlagen-archiv.de/en/archives/the-recon...

You assume an upright and just state. Raids are also used by the authorities to:

  1) steal legitimate and legal intellectual property
  2) while they perform the raid, they search for other reasons to find them guilty of something
  3) make good companies look bad to the public
  4) it's not that unusual for them to accidentally destroy or cause damage to property while they perform the raid
  5) maintain oppression that they might at anytime be raided for anything
This is disgusting behavior. The biggest threats to society are the states and governments, it definitely not the businesses!!!
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