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Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by itishappy »

belter wrote: post #132
vixen99 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this comment noteworthy? He is a smart guy irrespective of whomsoever makes this observation.

You would not find worth of self-reflection, if an indicted war criminal would be publicly praising you? "Elon Musk spoke with Vladimir Putin directly, Pentagon official says" - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/elon-musk-pu... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_indicted_in_the... "CC judges issue arrest warrants against Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova" - https:…

Not really. Praise is free and regardless how you feel about him, Elon is one of the world's most successful businessmen. He's done things worthy of praise. (He's also done things worthy of scorn.)

Are the reasons for praise problematic? What are they, and why?

Here's a few other quotes by Vlad that contain praise:

> It's a historical phenomenon that in 250 years, a nation could move from a colony into the most prosperous nation of the world and the leader of the world. It is indeed an achievement, a tribute to the talent of the American nation, the American people and an optimal political and economic system.

He's praising all of America! Worthy of self-reflection?

> History proves that all dictatorships, all authoritarian forms of government are transient. Only democratic systems are not transient. Whatever the shortcomings, mankind has not devised anything superior.

Democracy itself has been praised by a war criminal! What should we do with this knowledge?

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by _heimdall »

usrusr wrote: post #148
_heimdall wrote: post #72

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone propose the possibility that allowing Russia to use Starlimk is an espionage play. I have no idea if that's actually what's going on, but if it would give Starlink information on troop locations and open a door for listening in on all Starlink-based communications, you would want the public and Russia to believe the CEO is on their side. It would also align with the fact that Russi…

Yeah, listening in wouldn't work because you can always stack more encryption on top of the one the carrier might listen in to. But Starlink can't operate without exact knowledge of antenna locations for aiming the phased arrays (some sibling said that it can operate without GPS, but I read that as it's able to locate the antenna on its own after a crude signal handshake is done). But in a world where Musk/Starlink/s…

Is it fair to assume Musk and any state actors he could be working with don't have any way to decrypt Russian encryption techniques?

My only point is they its interesting how quick many are to jump on this a narrative that Elon is evil, he works for or with the Russians, etc when there is actually a scenario that fits in which he is closer to playing a role akin to Allan Turing during WWII.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by _heimdall »

throwboatyface wrote: post #129
_heimdall wrote: post #72

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone propose the possibility that allowing Russia to use Starlimk is an espionage play. I have no idea if that's actually what's going on, but if it would give Starlink information on troop locations and open a door for listening in on all Starlink-based communications, you would want the public and Russia to believe the CEO is on their side. It would also align with the fact that Russi…

Do you think the American government can't already find Russian ships? America gets their ass beat consistently in unwinnable wars against guerilla armies, but in terms of identifying giant warships I think they're pretty capable.

Finding them is actually likely much less of a problem than listening in, though providing the Ukrainians with additional ways of finding and tracking their enemy without us directly providing intel does offer the US plausible deniability.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by throwaway44023 »

saiya-jin wrote: post #63
severino wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is on the side of Russia but giving away for free this Starlink thing to the UAF that has proven useful for their operations. But how come the UAF are still using Starlink if it's provided by someone clearly on the side or Russia?

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One thing is if some soldiers use it to have Google Meet video calls from the battle field. That's comparable to selling some consumer laptops to the army - nobody cares.

Entirely another thing - and now I mean the US ITAR perspective - is if it's used literally as key and unique capability enabling part of a drone weapon. Now that makes it a weapon too. SpaceX doesn't have the US government's approval to manufacture weapons, export weapons or sell them to Ukraine army. The terminal or the constellation itself must not be used as a weapon according to the US law, and the operator must do everything to stop such use.

You should be angry with the US government. Biden could go live on the TV right now and say "Mr. Musk, it's fine - we allow it.". And if Musk didn't do it anyways, then you'd be right to be angry with him. But the US government didn't and won't do that.

Take it to your elected representative, not to a businessman doing what the law requires him to do.

You know what was the biggest fail, IMHO? That UA soldiers put the video online. Up until nobody knew, nobody cared. They carried out several attacks. Then they showed the world - and of course it got banned, there is no other option on SpaceX or Musk's side.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by throwawaymaths »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #173
throwawaymaths wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be overly defensive of musk, but musk is currently one of our most major diplomatic point of contact with Russia (SpaceX deal to send up cosmonauts to iss) so it's kind of in the US interest to ask musk to gas up putin a bit. Although I wouldn't find it hard to believe that musk is that clueless, I also have to consider that it might be a diplomatic task.

> musk is currently one of our most major diplomatic point of contact with Russia Genuinely curious where you’re getting this. For what it’s worth, no, Musk is not a diplomatic contact for anyone in the West with Russia, though there is rising concern he sees himself as such, which leads to him e.g. leaking Ukrainian firing plans to Moscow’s envoys. > it's kind of in the US interest to ask musk to gas up putin a bit…

> Genuinely curious where you’re getting this

it's in the text. SpaceX is a provider for Roscosmos. Pretty public knowledge:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-crew-dragon-launch-russi...

It would be crazy for the US state department to NOT use that as some sort of opportunity.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by [deleted] »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #205
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> musk is currently one of our most major diplomatic point of contact with Russia Genuinely curious where you’re getting this. For what it’s worth, no, Musk is not a diplomatic contact for anyone in the West with Russia, though there is rising concern he sees himself as such, which leads to him e.g. leaking Ukrainian firing plans to Moscow’s envoys. > it's kind of in the US interest to ask musk to gas up putin a bit…

> Genuinely curious where you’re getting this it's in the text. SpaceX is a provider for Roscosmos. Pretty public knowledge: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-crew-dragon-launch-russi... It would be crazy for the US state department to NOT use that as some sort of opportunity.

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Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #205
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> musk is currently one of our most major diplomatic point of contact with Russia Genuinely curious where you’re getting this. For what it’s worth, no, Musk is not a diplomatic contact for anyone in the West with Russia, though there is rising concern he sees himself as such, which leads to him e.g. leaking Ukrainian firing plans to Moscow’s envoys. > it's kind of in the US interest to ask musk to gas up putin a bit…

> Genuinely curious where you’re getting this it's in the text. SpaceX is a provider for Roscosmos. Pretty public knowledge: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-crew-dragon-launch-russi... It would be crazy for the US state department to NOT use that as some sort of opportunity.

> SpaceX is a provider for Roscosmos..would be crazy for the US state department to NOT use that as some sort of opportunity

Sure. That doesn't make Musk a "major diplomatic contact," nor even a pertinent one (let alone "most major").

Also, these are NASA launches. NASA paid for them and handled the seat swap with Roscosmos [1], though there was no doubt coördination between the latter and Hawthorne.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/07/its-official-a-russi...

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by justsomehnguy »

_heimdall wrote: post #203
throwboatyface wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the American government can't already find Russian ships? America gets their ass beat consistently in unwinnable wars against guerilla armies, but in terms of identifying giant warships I think they're pretty capable.

Finding them is actually likely much less of a problem than listening in, though providing the Ukrainians with additional ways of finding and tracking their enemy without us directly providing intel does offer the US plausible deniability.

>US plausible deniability

*snort*

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by mistermann »

itsoktocry wrote: post #73
axegon_ wrote: post #67

Something to note: I would not trust a single sentence coming from this site, knowing who is running it - he is no way affiliated with the Bulgarian military or army and is likely on russia's payroll.

> he is no way affiliated with the Bulgarian military or army and is likely on russia's payroll The sheer number of people - Americans, mostly - who consider Russia this omnipotent boogeyman is both hilarious and scary. Everything is Russian propaganda, you can't believe anything a Russian says, all Russians are evil. I mean, where does this mentality come from? It's insane. In some circles you can literally dismiss…

Some of this maybe:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect

See the "see also" section.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by mistermann »

timeon wrote: post #28
swarnie wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If i manufacture a truck and sell it abroad, and eventually it ends up with a weapons mount in the Syrian desert, am i to blame?

Analogies are not arguments.

Well, there's this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_analogy

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