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Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by lotsofpulp »

donkeyd wrote: post #228
fullspectrumdev wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rules on this vary across Europe, though broadly speaking accessing an employees mailbox is “something you only do after speaking to legal”. The patchwork of national laws and national interpretations of EU regulations is quite interesting, and rather confusing especially if you do offensive security work or DFIR. As an example, when doing consultancy we would do the usual phishing as part of an assessment. Usual…

> The rules on this vary across Europe Not really, ECHR has already ruled on this. It's pretty much only allowed if there's an important reason for it. For example, to recover something invaluable (contract, code, report) that isn't available somewhere else and cannot be replaced. In that case that's also the only thing that them employer can look for. They can't open obviously unrelated e-mails. So before talking to…

What mechanism is there to prove who looked at what emails? And who would be there to enforce it, especially at a small business?

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Post by drewcoo »

serial_dev wrote: post #158
at-fates-hands wrote: post #66

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I worked at a large web dev company and for years they had this attitude. Then one designer put in his two weeks and spent the majority of the time downloading all the site files for all of the sites the company had built over the two years he was there. We're talking hundreds of static sites where he took the all the design docs and static HTML/CSS/JS files one would need to recreate them somewhere else. Instead of…

> We're talking hundreds of static sites where he took the all the design docs and static HTML/CSS/JS files one would need to recreate them somewhere else. You make it sound like he poached your clients or extorted your company. As they didn't go after him legally, I assume that didn't happen. I assume all the files are on a thumb drive in his drawer, unopened, just in case he wants to remember how "that cool animati…

Designers also need to show portfolios. Hard when your work is all behind some corporate firewall.

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Post by bombcar »

notbeuller wrote: post #223
fullspectrumdev wrote: post #189

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Or “your sales guy is making a little backup of the leads from the CRM before handing in notice”. Though with sales orgs I think this is almost an expected practice - sales people are often hired on the tactit, never officially acknowledged basis that they will bring their leads list.

Years ago I got a job through a recruiter, left company A for B. She called me after a few months and asked me for the Compsny A internal directory - which I declined to provide and she got kind of nasty about it. Maybe ten years later I was at company C and my manager mentioned hiring a recruiter - same person. I mentioned our previous interaction (not out of spite, just a naive narrative) and they stopped working w…

People asking for company directories amuses me so much, especially when most company email patterns are completely guessable.

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Post by bombcar »

burnerburnson wrote: post #258
jedberg wrote: post #9

Layoffs in the WFH era are weird. Back in the day you had a pretty good idea of who got laid off because you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff. You could go up to them and say, "hey let's meet at $local_watering_hole and hang out". You could swap contact info if you didn't already have it. You could get closure. Now, one day a bunch of people just stop replying to email. You have a to wait a whi…

I don't understand the secrecy about firing somehow. If I were an employer, I'd want my remaining employees to know that what the fired person did was unacceptable.

Companies very rarely do not want to open themselves to liability so they usually go for the blandest possible description, even laying off and paying unemployment for someone who should be fired for cause.

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fredley wrote: post #185

I'm a WFH worker. My company is fully remote. They are really great at managing departures and make sure everyone's aware and has a chance to say goodbye. However I can't shake this feeling that the mindset that got us from treating servers like pets to treating them like cattle is creeping into workforce planning, and the WFH movement is making it that much easier. Why plan capacity when you can scale resources up a…

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Post by khalilravanna »

There was an automated tool like this someone built at Twitter. At first it was cool just to see who the most tenured people were. Then the layoffs happened and it became essential due to the absolute 0 communication happening thanks to the Cool New Management. I remember we used the count of people in one of the default Slack channels to keep track of how many people got the axe. Woof.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by yieldcrv »

bombcar wrote: post #252
doublerabbit wrote: post #210

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Leaving guides? I imagine a pamphlet. "We wish you well on your departure; as you embark on new adventures your about to open your eyes for the first time. This may be a shock to some of you as you may discover that the world is more dystopian than you've may of seen from your altered reality mind-implants. We would like to thank you for your service as a tool at the corporation."

You could rewrite Plato’s Cave for some companies, especially the insular ones where there’s some culture shock when you get into “the real world”.

Plato’s cave needs to be rewritten anyway

time to just acknowledge that its an overly long arduous convoluted setup that can be vastly simplified for the message it creates

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Post by throwawaaarrgh »

fbdab103 wrote: post #74
throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #33

There's a very common problem with systems that use SSO, where the 3rd parties that accept SSO logins cache the login information, sometimes indefinitely. A user can leave the company but their login placeholder account stays in the 3rd party, and active login sessions are maintained basically indefinitely. So you can leave the company and lose your AD account, but still access the 3rd party. As Rachel says it's kind…

In most cases wouldn't that session info be tied to physical hardware to which the employee no longer has access? Sure, tick all of your boxes, but I would think that losing the company laptop/phone/VPN would be a pretty significant barrier to maintaining access to other systems.

Not worth 3rd party vendors with basic SSO. They have no idea when the user leaves the company because there's nothing updating the vendor's sessions.

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Post by OJFord »

tonnydourado wrote: post #253

I'm not sure I get this. If it's in my team/department, I'll know about it one way or another. If not ... Why would I care? People come and go, and if we're friends outside of work, we'll have other channels. Besides that, most companies I worked at don't even maintain the LDAP/whatever properly. I've seen contacts from people that left/were fired stay around for years.

On an individual level: maybe you don't work closely but know the name, might be interested to know ahead of suddenly realising you haven't seen/heard from them for weeks/months; or maybe you used to but they moved to a different group, you're not in touch but vaguely interested if they've left.

On a more macro level: you might be interested in an apparent layoff/significant restructuring.

Someone used to (/maybe does) run this as an email service ('orgdiff') at Arm. I wouldn't have gone out of my way to do it myself, but it was something to skim with a Monday morning coffee.

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Post by drewcoo »

mynameisbob22 wrote: post #231
silisili wrote: post #51

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It's one thing I miss from the work from office lifestyle - the more human connections. People stopping by your desk to chat about life, the joking - I'd never laughed so hard in my life. Closer connections in general, and being sad when people left, but happy when they were for greener pastures. WFH feels so sterile and impersonal in comparison. I've been WFH since 2015 or so, so this isn't a RTO endorsement, just r…

Until the pandemic, we would regularly eat lunch together somewhere. For years, this was a standard routine in my life. It was a perfect way to get a feeling what others were doing, what the problems were, how the general mood in the team was, what was going on in their lives. I invited everyone to my wedding during lunch. I told them I was becoming a father during lunch. 2 people told us they were leaving during lun…

Most of what I read about people missing offices makes me think "gee, I'm glad I don't share an office with that person."

But I do miss lunches. Even the loud, obnoxious people are much more tolerable in that context.

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