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Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by mlrtime »

xorcist wrote: post #207
ryandrake wrote: post #93

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The way I see it I go to work to exchange my skills for money. Often that involves working with others, but I’m not there to socialize and make friends. I have friends. So given that outlook, WFH seems just kind of more “pure.” It’s distilled work, unencumbered by phony pseudo-friendships and awkward water cooler chit chat about sportsball. When we start a zoom meeting I can just launch right into the agenda without…

So when you've earned your f-u money you stop showing up for work? That's not what we see in practice. Most people with a sudden windfall (stocks, lottery winnings etc.) keeps showing up for work. Because how else would you stay socially meaningful in our society? Nobody really wants to sit at a beach sipping drinks the rest of their life, accomplishing nothing. There is clearly a social aspect of work, at least for…

This is one reason why playing the lottery [even if once] has some positive value.

It forces people into a thought experiment on what they would do if they didn't have to work.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by bombcar »

doublerabbit wrote: post #210
nick7376182 wrote: post #204

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Anybody have connection to the ex-google one if there is? I just left and didn't see it referenced in any of the leaving guides.

Leaving guides? I imagine a pamphlet. "We wish you well on your departure; as you embark on new adventures your about to open your eyes for the first time. This may be a shock to some of you as you may discover that the world is more dystopian than you've may of seen from your altered reality mind-implants. We would like to thank you for your service as a tool at the corporation."

You could rewrite Plato’s Cave for some companies, especially the insular ones where there’s some culture shock when you get into “the real world”.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by tonnydourado »

I'm not sure I get this.

If it's in my team/department, I'll know about it one way or another. If not ... Why would I care? People come and go, and if we're friends outside of work, we'll have other channels.

Besides that, most companies I worked at don't even maintain the LDAP/whatever properly. I've seen contacts from people that left/were fired stay around for years.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by bombcar »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #167
TeMPOraL wrote: post #162

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In company Slack? Private != personal. At least I never ever imagined one could even assume DMs on work IM are personal private conversations . They're organizationally grouped as chat between to accounts, as opposed to group chat, but they're at work, for work, using work-provided tools... Or put another way: why would anyone consider work Slack to be different in this regard than company e-mail? Much like with e-ma…

I guess the cognitive dissonance is that I used to be able to say things to a coworker in-person which wasn’t recorded and tracked, using my voice. This was always a normal part of work, and I didn’t give it a second thought until it was gone. Nowadays it feels like someone is constantly standing over your shoulder whenever you’re at work, and there’s never a private moment. This is especially strange during holidays…

Call! Yes, most communication can be done with chats in slack or teams, but take the excuse to call and chit chat a bit before getting down to business.

Unless all calls are transcribed and recorded, it’s pretty “watercoolerish”.

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Post by data-ottawa »

seer wrote: post #122
Aurornis wrote: post #48

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Watching people’s accounts go into deactivated status in Slack with no goodbye is sad. The most toxic boss I ever worked for would request access to former employee’s Slack accounts under the guise of looking for data to transition their job. Their accounts would periodically go green when he logged in as them. Spooky to see ex-coworker accounts go green and know the boss is scouring their private messages. I know co…

One company I worked for used to have an unofficial “ex-company” slack setup, where people would get invited to by others that have already left and were in there, it was kinda nice since you form bonds with people and suddenly they’re just gone. You might have not managed to connect with them in any other form. But you login to “ex-company” slack workspace and here they are - everyone that went through the company.…

This seems common now, I’m part of two such groups and it’s a nicer experience than trying to keep up via LinkedIn.

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Post by bombcar »

trumbitta2 wrote: post #155
Aurornis wrote: post #48

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Watching people’s accounts go into deactivated status in Slack with no goodbye is sad. The most toxic boss I ever worked for would request access to former employee’s Slack accounts under the guise of looking for data to transition their job. Their accounts would periodically go green when he logged in as them. Spooky to see ex-coworker accounts go green and know the boss is scouring their private messages. I know co…

I think admins don't need to log into an account to see private messages. Was like that at two of my previous jobs.

It’s usually an additional step as admin to access messages, but “login as” can be easier/simpler.

Learned that Office 365 now has a “login as” for email which is convenient for setting out of office, deleting calendar invites, or email snooping.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by burnerburnson »

jedberg wrote: post #9

Layoffs in the WFH era are weird. Back in the day you had a pretty good idea of who got laid off because you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff. You could go up to them and say, "hey let's meet at $local_watering_hole and hang out". You could swap contact info if you didn't already have it. You could get closure. Now, one day a bunch of people just stop replying to email. You have a to wait a whi…

I don't understand the secrecy about firing somehow. If I were an employer, I'd want my remaining employees to know that what the fired person did was unacceptable.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by mlrtime »

unobatbayar wrote: post #159

Do you guys feel sad when your colleague leaves the company?

Depends, but not really.

It's like saying sorry for someone getting divorced.... in all likely hood you should be happy for them and congratulating them on ending a toxic relationship.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by bombcar »

kristopolous wrote: post #91
ketzo wrote: post #84

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I think it’s a scale thing, honestly. Yes, most reasonable adults remain reasonable even after fired But once you hire a thousand, ten thousand, a hundred thousand people… statistically there are gonna be some wackos you didn’t filter out! It’s tough. I agree that treating each other like humans is the best policy.

Of course it increases. That's why you have permissions and guard rails on the employees in the first place. Those should be sufficient. Also if you want to work with the people you like again but need to actually downsize because of external pressure, good luck trying to get them to come work for you at your next venture after some fucked up bridge burning ceremony.

You also have the situation where the boss usually KNOWS who might do things that he shouldn’t - but you can’t have policies that only apply to some, so they get applied to all (there are still unofficial ways around this, of course, like letting someone know unofficially before they’re officially laid off).
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