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Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by actionfromafar »

d1sxeyes wrote: post #158
oneshtein wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is at (undeclared) war with US and NATO. Russian propaganda currently says that they started the war to counter NATO expansion.

Russia has always (somewhat fairly) been vocal that since the collapse of the Warsaw pact, Nato has no reason to exist other than to defend against a potential attack from Russia. Nato have always acted as though that's true, and have pursued expanding the alliance to countries bordering Russia, and established missile defence installations there. The closest we ever got to nuclear war was when Russia moved missiles…

Nothing changed. "Ukraine does not exist. It's not a state. Ukrainians do not exist."

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by inemesitaffia »

rbetts wrote: post #169
randomNumber7 wrote: post #149

It's pretty cheap to call musk a pro russian. He is the one private person that helped ukraines war effort the most by providing them starlink in the first place. Is it so hard to understand that there are reasons for him to not allow the usage for deep strikes, besides him beeing on putins payroll?

Should a private individual be able to limit a sovereign nation's battle plan to defend itself from an invasion? Specifically, in the US, should a private individual or a public company be able to compete with the federal government over foreign affairs policy? (Presuming that allied war support, materiel, and rules of engagement qualify as elements of foreign affairs.) Are Elon's choices a mercantile challenge to de…

Only to the extent it's okay to send any equipment at all

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by somenameforme »

actionfromafar wrote: post #177
somenameforme wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the [excellent] interview with Putin, Putin also called many US Presidents quite smart. Are you now also quite dubious of them, because of literally the exact same sort of "praise"? Calling it praise is not even rational - it is an observation. One may call Musk many things, but denying he's both quite intelligent and willful would be absurd.

In what way is the interview excellent?

It was not like an interview with a typical politician, which is perhaps not a surprise, but interesting nonetheless. He was happy to acknowledge when he didn't know things, gave numerous interesting insights in conversations he has had with other world leaders - while actively avoiding betraying their trust of confidence. He also displayed a rather encyclopedic knowledge of history which I found fascinating as a history buff myself. In fact most of the section about Ukraine was largely a lengthy history lesson, including a reasonable overview of how people like Bandera came to be national heroes in Ukraine.

I suppose seeing a world leader who actually seems intelligent and "real" was just something novel. The political personality all Western politicians use now a days is something I find irritating. Giving focus tested answers, or no answers at all, while speaking endlessly nonetheless. Even on topics he clearly found irritating, he didn't try to spin things. E.g. - on the Wallstreet Journal guy, he simply focused on the fact that he broke Russian law, and wanted to trade him for a Russian citizen.

Basically it felt much more like a diplomat speaking to another diplomat instead of a politician trying to give you the answers he thinks you want to hear, regardless of what he actually thinks.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by actionfromafar »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #171
matthewfelgate wrote: post #46

[flagged]

It takes comments like this to realize how quickly fascism has spread from Ukraine to the rest of the world. A couple years of propaganda supporting "valiant heroes" like Azov and here we are pointing fingers on the traitor to be arrested.

It spread from Ukraine? ... How?

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by actionfromafar »

somenameforme wrote: post #184
actionfromafar wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way is the interview excellent?

It was not like an interview with a typical politician, which is perhaps not a surprise, but interesting nonetheless. He was happy to acknowledge when he didn't know things, gave numerous interesting insights in conversations he has had with other world leaders - while actively avoiding betraying their trust of confidence. He also displayed a rather encyclopedic knowledge of history which I found fascinating as a his…

It doesn't sound like an interview at all, at least not a hard hitting interview with tough questions. More like a promotional tour for a new book or something.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by inemesitaffia »

jjulius wrote: post #141
inemesitaffia wrote: post #71

So many people here showing they know nothing about satcom or wireless networks

Perhaps you could expand beyond that flippant snark and help people understand what they're missing? Otherwise, your comment doesn't really contribute much beyond making you feel better than others.

If for example you live in a country that doesn't register sim cards with authenticated information (e.g Ukraine) anyone can use the service.

That's why Russian soldiers are using Ukrainian network sims in Ukraine.

The same is true of starlink. The equipment (analogue of sim and phone together) is easily acquired. There's no whitelist . And service is available to anyone that can get a valid payment card. So just like the mobile network, Russians can use it.

SpaceX used to mitigate this by limiting areas service is available. But that helps with places 20+km from the frontline. Not somewhere opposing soldiers can see each other. And Ukrainians complained about this. They had partisans and SOF they wanted to communicate with. Now it's done and we have a new narrative l

You won't see Reddit level comments for such mobile networks.

We know the reason for the difference in sentiment. The solution is device whitelisting at the frontline and beyond visual range. Maybe for some people limiting movement might be enough.

But our anti work crowd will rather blame the supplier

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by m3kw9 »

schiffern wrote: post #25

Starlink doesn't offer service in UAE, so this must refer to diverted use of Starlink Maritime. Starlink Maritime is offered through (among others) Dubai-based maritime supplier ELCOME.[0] The ToS for Starlink Maritime isn't available, but this partner brochure[1] says: "Starlink Maritime is available for use in waters around the globe. Coverage in Territorial Waters is contingent on government approval ." (italics i…

The problem could be some Ukraine starlinks are also procured this way.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by justsomehnguy »

cduzz wrote: post #119
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume a working gps is necessary for good signal since orientatiin matters in starlink.

I'm going to call on Cunningham's law here... (I'm not sure if I am right or wrong but I think I'm right and hopefully someone can correct me) I don't think starlink needs GPS as much as the starlink service is a form of GPS. The base station sees several satellites and the satellites know where they are and so the base station can triangulate where you are, and the whole system requires this precision location mecha…

Ehm.

You need a precise clock for any form of GNSS[0] to function. AFAIR StarLink satellites doesn't have precise clock on the board. And anyway, modern GNSS chips are.. $1? Cheaper? No way you wouldn't use GNSS already deployed and working (and you are not paying for it) in a commercial product.

[0] GPS is GNSS, it's just in America GPS became the synonym for GNSS

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Post by inemesitaffia »

api wrote: post #153

If you build a global thing like this it’s gonna be damn hard to keep anyone anywhere from using it unless you hard geofence.

Ukrainians complained about geofencing. Now it's seemingly gone and they have something new to complain about
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