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Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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It takes comments like this to realize how quickly fascism has spread from Ukraine to the rest of the world.

A couple years of propaganda supporting "valiant heroes" like Azov and here we are pointing fingers on the traitor to be arrested.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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post #98

Curious to see if Musk is willing to step in and disable them or if this treatment is reserved for UAF only.

These kind of conversations are exhausting. I for one don’t know all the details, which I think there are many. I realize it is easy to make a blanket accusation and harder to provide details. Last time I looked this up it was pretty murky. Specifically on your point I believe there was a couple things at play but maybe I am wrong. 1) did not have approval by the state department 2) blanket rule that they could be us…

> I don’t know what the right answer here is but it would be nice to explore the topic more than “Musk is bad”.

I mean, Musk has been on the vanguard of the "Ukraine's resistance is futile" push. You can call speculation on this line specious, unthinking "Musk is bad" rhetoric, but at some point negative criticism of a person is relevant.

It takes zero imagination to conceive of Musk turning a blind eye to Russia's use of Starlink, it would be consistent with the way he speaks on X/Twitter.

It may seem like bashing, but honestly it's easy to run out of good things to say about some people.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> would be nice to explore the topic more than “Musk is bad” Isaacson’s Starlink claims are muddied. But Musk has tweeted Kremlin propaganda points, e.g. on its proximate nuclear red lines (which, for the record, we’ve since passed). I blame David Sacks for giving him bad advice. But whatever the reason, it’s fair to question whether this was intentional at some level.

Not to be overly defensive of musk, but musk is currently one of our most major diplomatic point of contact with Russia (SpaceX deal to send up cosmonauts to iss) so it's kind of in the US interest to ask musk to gas up putin a bit. Although I wouldn't find it hard to believe that musk is that clueless, I also have to consider that it might be a diplomatic task.

> musk is currently one of our most major diplomatic point of contact with Russia

Genuinely curious where you’re getting this. For what it’s worth, no, Musk is not a diplomatic contact for anyone in the West with Russia, though there is rising concern he sees himself as such, which leads to him e.g. leaking Ukrainian firing plans to Moscow’s envoys.

> it's kind of in the US interest to ask musk to gas up putin a bit

Not particularly. Though I can see him being used without knowing it.

I am a huge fan of SpaceX and Musk. But while Starlink is hugely relevant to the war, Musk per se is presently between irrelevant and mildly damaging to American interests.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

#174
Previously Ukraine wanted to use Starlink in Crimea, but Musk geo-disabled them saying that Starlink is forbidden to provide business to sanctioned regions.

> Musk said on the podcast that Starlink had been turned off over Crimea originally because of US sanctions on Russia.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-14/elon-musk...

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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post #148

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone propose the possibility that allowing Russia to use Starlimk is an espionage play. I have no idea if that's actually what's going on, but if it would give Starlink information on troop locations and open a door for listening in on all Starlink-based communications, you would want the public and Russia to believe the CEO is on their side. It would also align with the fact that Russi…

Yeah, listening in wouldn't work because you can always stack more encryption on top of the one the carrier might listen in to. But Starlink can't operate without exact knowledge of antenna locations for aiming the phased arrays (some sibling said that it can operate without GPS, but I read that as it's able to locate the antenna on its own after a crude signal handshake is done). But in a world where Musk/Starlink/s…

I presume Musk necessarily has a clearance already and keeps many things secret on pain of imprisonment.

Did you forget SpaceX does NRO launches all of the time?

Furthermore, you aren’t allowed to have access to orbit from the USA without playing by the MIC/IC’s rules, clearance or no clearance.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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post #67

Something to note: I would not trust a single sentence coming from this site, knowing who is running it - he is no way affiliated with the Bulgarian military or army and is likely on russia's payroll.

This piece of news, that russians are using Starlink is widely reported on russian telegram channels, including the more credible ones.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would not find worth of self-reflection, if an indicted war criminal would be publicly praising you? "Elon Musk spoke with Vladimir Putin directly, Pentagon official says" - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/elon-musk-pu... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_indicted_in_the... "CC judges issue arrest warrants against Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova" - https:…

In the [excellent] interview with Putin, Putin also called many US Presidents quite smart. Are you now also quite dubious of them, because of literally the exact same sort of "praise"? Calling it praise is not even rational - it is an observation. One may call Musk many things, but denying he's both quite intelligent and willful would be absurd.

In what way is the interview excellent?

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that he's done this before in order to disadvantage Ukraine. He is quite clearly on the side of russia.

> He is quite clearly on the side of russia. I wonder if that's true: Maybe he just wants to be a controversial contrarian and always tries to be on the "non-woke" and "non-mainstream" side. Doesn't change much in this instance, but still.

So, temporarily on the side of Russia until Russia becomes woke and mainstream, then.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume he meant that the 20,000 Starlink terminals donated to Ukraine had cost $100 million.

The ones paid for by US DoD contract?

No, the other ones. There was a shipment that the DoD didn't pay for.

Re: Russian troops use Starlink licensed and imported from Dubai

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so when lots of them are paid for with foreign cards?

Lots will be paid for by the DoD, for the others: ask the AFU - the users could supply their account details up through the chain of command (or directly via GIS Arta). Actually, I'd hope this is already happening regularly anyway so they can cut off any terminals captured by the enemy

That effort must come via Ukraine. Accusations and antagonism will lead to a more abrupt solution. Service termination for currently unverifiable equipment
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