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Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by donalhunt »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #125
yau8edq12i wrote: post #109

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What? First, Europe isn't a single country and there are large difference between legal systems. Second, what you said is just plain wrong in at least one. In France (which is known for strict worker protections) the employer can go through any employee's mailbox or files on their work computer/account provided 1. that the messages/files in question aren't clearly marked as personal 2. that the conditions for the acc…

I had some DM’s which were of personal nature that were rifled through after a contract ended. How do you "clearly mark a DM as personal"? It was creepy, and further illustrated that anything you say in Slack can and will be viewed by the whole company. If not literally, then that’s how you should treat it. You might be right that it’s not illegal, but it would be nice to have those kinds of protections. Trying to ta…

The way this was communicated to me in the past was "don't say/write anything using company resources that you don't want to see on the front of ". All communications on employer-operated platforms are subject to discovery.

Senior leaders tend to skirt this by using the telephone or video calls predominantly. However the infiltration of machine learning and AI means transcripts of calls, etc are now possible too.

In addition, the growing use of "disappearing" messages despite litigation holds has come up in more legal cases recently.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by TeMPOraL »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #153
Gabrys1 wrote: post #142

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> anything you say in Slack can and will be viewed by the whole company. If not literally, then that’s how you should treat it. Anyone thought otherwise?

In private DMs?

In company Slack?

Private != personal. At least I never ever imagined one could even assume DMs on work IM are personal private conversations. They're organizationally grouped as chat between to accounts, as opposed to group chat, but they're at work, for work, using work-provided tools...

Or put another way: why would anyone consider work Slack to be different in this regard than company e-mail? Much like with e-mails, the difference between DMs and group chats is whether the number of participants is > 2.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by mickeyp »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #35
mickeyp wrote: post #8

LDAP's full of secrets. It's a great way to keep tabs on what's going on in a company. And to think that you can get nearly all of it with anonymous access. Team or department mergers before they were announced? Yep, I've caught those. Secret mailing lists for internal projects? Check who's a member and you can ferret out what's going on. Bonus if the list mail address gives some of it away. `ldapsearch' is good if y…

I'm still flabbergasted when a company lets me index their entire AD tree as a random (or, holy crap, anonymous) user. Very nice of them, but still. It's also often the only way to get information that doesn't exist in an Intranet page, like, literally what teams are there in IT, where are their offices, who's somebody's manager, and of course, what distribution lists am I not on that some other user is on that's cau…

It has to be public (or at least not too locked down) or things like Address Book in outlook would stop working. Lots of weird things depend on the LDAP tree being broadly accessible. It's just that it leaks more information than most people think.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by larsrc »

saagarjha wrote: post #139
umbauk wrote: post #119

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Is it still going? Were you ever made change it by HR? I left 5 years ago. Loved that thing!

It was there when I left several months ago, so I assume so. Or maybe I shouldn't, they started shuttering a lot of these kinds of things after layoffs.

It's still there, just used it to see if I had guessed right on Rachel's workings (I hadn't). Thanks for making a very useful tool!

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by TeMPOraL »

jedberg wrote: post #37
namdnay wrote: post #36

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This may be the only time I ever say this, but thank god for LinkedIn. At least you know you can always catch up with someone who has left

Assuming they have LinkedIn and you bothered to connect while they still worked with you. :)

Between jobs is the only time you touch LinkedIn, lest HR sees some activity on your profile and buckets you into a "actively job-searching" risk group.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by sillysaurusx »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #162
sillysaurusx wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In private DMs?

In company Slack? Private != personal. At least I never ever imagined one could even assume DMs on work IM are personal private conversations . They're organizationally grouped as chat between to accounts, as opposed to group chat, but they're at work, for work, using work-provided tools... Or put another way: why would anyone consider work Slack to be different in this regard than company e-mail? Much like with e-ma…

I guess the cognitive dissonance is that I used to be able to say things to a coworker in-person which wasn’t recorded and tracked, using my voice. This was always a normal part of work, and I didn’t give it a second thought until it was gone. Nowadays it feels like someone is constantly standing over your shoulder whenever you’re at work, and there’s never a private moment. This is especially strange during holidays, since personal conversations tend to spontaneously happen around those times.

You’re right of course. I just wish we had something to fill the void that was left by in-person interactions vanishing. I think I’ll be doing WFH pretty much the rest of my life, and I absolutely hate going into an office in general, but there are definitely some aspects I miss. Being able to chat off the record with a coworker is one of them.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by Maxion »

globalise83 wrote: post #127
Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #50

Not a WFH thing. This is a USA thing!! Edit: OP said "Layoffs in the WFH era are weird" Yes they are, but people here don't suddenly go offline quite as weird is what I was trying to get at. Here in Sweden if you are FTE there is usually a 1-3 month layoff period (upppsägningstid) where you work and get paid still. At the end of the period you leave. People usually email the team and even the entire company with "hey…

Yes, but in cases where a disgruntled employee can do real damage, companies can and do simply ask employees to go on gardening leave with immediate effect, while paying them the rest of their notice period.

Not really in the nordics (europe?)

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by romanovcode »

silisili wrote: post #51
jedberg wrote: post #9

Layoffs in the WFH era are weird. Back in the day you had a pretty good idea of who got laid off because you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff. You could go up to them and say, "hey let's meet at $local_watering_hole and hang out". You could swap contact info if you didn't already have it. You could get closure. Now, one day a bunch of people just stop replying to email. You have a to wait a whi…

It's one thing I miss from the work from office lifestyle - the more human connections. People stopping by your desk to chat about life, the joking - I'd never laughed so hard in my life. Closer connections in general, and being sad when people left, but happy when they were for greener pastures. WFH feels so sterile and impersonal in comparison. I've been WFH since 2015 or so, so this isn't a RTO endorsement, just r…

As someone who has enough social interactions and friendships outside of work I am very happy with this attitude. My co-workers are not my friends and I'd like to keep it that way.

Indeed nowadays I have seen many articles publishing that it is even more prominent idea with Zoomers entering workforce and have a clear boundary between co-workers and personal outside-work friends. The companies actually do not like this because this means that those people have literally 0 loyalty to the company and only care for the money. Which is shocking, I know. \s

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by Maxion »

bsimpson wrote: post #90
MadsRC wrote: post #72

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Yup, same in Denmark. It’s called “fritstilling” - basically they pay you severance equally to the amount of months you should have gotten advanced notice (3-many months). But there has to be a very good reason. Such as theft, or actual security worries.

I believe this is called "garden leave" in the Commonwealth countries.

Gardening leave is usually a term for a paid non-compete. I.e. you're not allowed to work in the same industry for 6 months, and you're paid salary for those months.
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