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Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

Symbiote wrote: post #59
simonw wrote: post #10

Love this bit: "Incidentally, if someone gets mad about you running this sort of thing, you probably don't want to work there anyway. On the other hand, if you're able to build such tools without IT or similar getting "threatened" by it, then you might be somewhere that actually enjoys creating interesting and useful stuff. Treasure such places. They don't tend to last."

I wonder if this counts as personal data. It's a copy of everyone's name, job title and employment dates. I can certainly see many European businesses would be wary of an employee keeping this list.

In central Europe, we have the complete company organigram in namely, so it can't be that bad.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by darkwater »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #66
kristopolous wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lockout always struck me as dumb and I didn't do it as a manager. If I trusted them for the 3 years they worked for me, I can trust them for another week or two. Tie up loose ends, take your time. We're all adults here. I understand that under the worst circumstances bad things can happen but that's always the case.

I worked at a large web dev company and for years they had this attitude. Then one designer put in his two weeks and spent the majority of the time downloading all the site files for all of the sites the company had built over the two years he was there. We're talking hundreds of static sites where he took the all the design docs and static HTML/CSS/JS files one would need to recreate them somewhere else. Instead of…

> You put in your two weeks? Nah, you're out the moment you hit send on that email. Manager alerts security, who then come over to your desk. You get your jacket and whatever you walked in with and get walked out.

This will work for the first 5-10-20 people, then word of mouth goes out about this policy and your evil designer is downloading everything the day before sending their resignation mail.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

#153

Post by sillysaurusx »

Gabrys1 wrote: post #142
sillysaurusx wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had some DM’s which were of personal nature that were rifled through after a contract ended. How do you "clearly mark a DM as personal"? It was creepy, and further illustrated that anything you say in Slack can and will be viewed by the whole company. If not literally, then that’s how you should treat it. You might be right that it’s not illegal, but it would be nice to have those kinds of protections. Trying to ta…

> anything you say in Slack can and will be viewed by the whole company. If not literally, then that’s how you should treat it. Anyone thought otherwise?

In private DMs?

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

#154

Post by MichaelMoser123 »

I wrote a script that is looking at the git log of a git repository, it tries to sum up how many commits per author/number of lines changed etc, when the author was active. This also gives some indication on the 'turnover rate' or whatever. (I know lines changed and number of commits is a very bad indication, but it is some indication)

https://github.com/MoserMichael/gittools/blob/main/git-whois...

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by trumbitta2 »

Aurornis wrote: post #48
jedberg wrote: post #9

Layoffs in the WFH era are weird. Back in the day you had a pretty good idea of who got laid off because you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff. You could go up to them and say, "hey let's meet at $local_watering_hole and hang out". You could swap contact info if you didn't already have it. You could get closure. Now, one day a bunch of people just stop replying to email. You have a to wait a whi…

Watching people’s accounts go into deactivated status in Slack with no goodbye is sad. The most toxic boss I ever worked for would request access to former employee’s Slack accounts under the guise of looking for data to transition their job. Their accounts would periodically go green when he logged in as them. Spooky to see ex-coworker accounts go green and know the boss is scouring their private messages. I know co…

I think admins don't need to log into an account to see private messages. Was like that at two of my previous jobs.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

#156

Post by ithkuil »

caskstrength wrote: post #80
Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #50

Not a WFH thing. This is a USA thing!! Edit: OP said "Layoffs in the WFH era are weird" Yes they are, but people here don't suddenly go offline quite as weird is what I was trying to get at. Here in Sweden if you are FTE there is usually a 1-3 month layoff period (upppsägningstid) where you work and get paid still. At the end of the period you leave. People usually email the team and even the entire company with "hey…

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On this very website I see people having heated debates about whether curly braces or indentation are insane or brain damaged, and that's just a "nerd" rant and that's ok.

But suddenly, when the debate is whether it's being so paranoid about disgruntled employees nuking prod or stealing IP during layoffs instead of handling a transition gracefully, that's suddenly enters the domain of nationalism and it's no longer the "right" kind of rant to have?

Yeah sometimes people will use unnecessary direct language, which btw is also a cultural thing (see "Culture Map - Breaking Through the Invisible Boundaries of Global Business" by Erin Meyer), but I don't think you should perceive this as an attack on you personally.

This is not just a US site, and even if it was, it's still useful to learn about how stuff works elsewhere in the world. Curious people want to learn and that's why many come here.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by ben_w »

> if you're able to build such tools without IT or similar getting "threatened" by it, then you might be somewhere that actually enjoys creating interesting and useful stuff. Treasure such places. They don't tend to last.

Advice I wish I'd been given before graduating, second only to "get everything in writing".

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

#158

Post by serial_dev »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #66
kristopolous wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lockout always struck me as dumb and I didn't do it as a manager. If I trusted them for the 3 years they worked for me, I can trust them for another week or two. Tie up loose ends, take your time. We're all adults here. I understand that under the worst circumstances bad things can happen but that's always the case.

I worked at a large web dev company and for years they had this attitude. Then one designer put in his two weeks and spent the majority of the time downloading all the site files for all of the sites the company had built over the two years he was there. We're talking hundreds of static sites where he took the all the design docs and static HTML/CSS/JS files one would need to recreate them somewhere else. Instead of…

> We're talking hundreds of static sites where he took the all the design docs and static HTML/CSS/JS files one would need to recreate them somewhere else.

You make it sound like he poached your clients or extorted your company. As they didn't go after him legally, I assume that didn't happen.

I assume all the files are on a thumb drive in his drawer, unopened, just in case he wants to remember how "that cool animation" was implemented. And when that moment comes, he will not find the thumb drive, anyway.

And all that security charade will accomplish is that people who care enough about their work, will make a copy the day before they quit. Congratulations, your policy achieved nothing, except get rid of their two weeks notice and everyone feel a bit worse working for you.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by jedberg »

javcasas wrote: post #138
jedberg wrote: post #9

Layoffs in the WFH era are weird. Back in the day you had a pretty good idea of who got laid off because you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff. You could go up to them and say, "hey let's meet at $local_watering_hole and hang out". You could swap contact info if you didn't already have it. You could get closure. Now, one day a bunch of people just stop replying to email. You have a to wait a whi…

I got fired from the office on a Friday evening when more than half the company already logged off. What is the wonderful closure you get? Anyway, welcome to the corporate world. It pretends to be personal, but it's business.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but most people get laid off Friday morning (it's the most common time).

> Anyway, welcome to the corporate world.

I've been in the corporate world for 27 years, and been through many layoffs (usually as a survivor, sometimes as a victim). The ones during WFH have all been worse.

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