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As someone who bikes on 17th street regularly, cyclists rarely stop completely. Most treat it as a yield (myself included) because it's a pain to start+stop at every stop sign. But it's on the rider to make sure you're on the same page as the other drivers at the intersection, which some bikers don't and just blow through it without checking.
> Most treat it as a yield (myself included) because it's a pain to start+stop at every stop sign. Sure. It's a pain for cars to start and stop at every stop sign too. So?
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I’m happy that in the Netherlands it’s ALWAYS the car driver’s responsibility (she always pays).
I don't agree with most laws that impose absolutes. The courts exist to deal with grey areas. A large number of pedestrians struck by cars each year (at least in North America), are themselves intoxicated, and not fit to walk along roadways. There are many cases where the driver should not reasonably be at fault for a pedestrians erratic behavior. There's also the "hit-to-kill" phenomenon in China, where it can be fi…
If there are intoxicated people around, or children, it's necessary to reduce driving speed.
That can mean moving at walking pace, or remaining stopped entirely, if you happen to be driving past a concert hall as everyone is leaving, for example.
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You're making a classic is-ought fallacy here. Drunk, high, sleep deprived or "crazy wild aggressive reckless" human drivers ought not to exist, but they do, and thus it's absolutely fair to compared autonomous drivers against them.
If GP's mother switches from driving for herself to having Waymo drive for her, her risk of injury will increase . Therefore, if her goal is to avoid injury, it would be counterproductive for her to make that switch. That conclusion does not require any is-ought fallacy.
That may be true, but I expect there's no scalable way to assess drivers for GGP mother-ness. So for public policy purposes we should encourage and allow self driving. And possibly even ban manual driving if we can't distinguish GGP mothers from poor drivers.
Re: Cyclist hit by driverless Waymo car in San Francisco, police say
#45410 years from now people will be throwing cats in front of self driving cars just to earn a living.
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#455Earlier quoted context omitted.
If GP's mother switches from driving for herself to having Waymo drive for her, her risk of injury will increase . Therefore, if her goal is to avoid injury, it would be counterproductive for her to make that switch. That conclusion does not require any is-ought fallacy.
Exactly. I know that my odds are different from the average.
So are you one of the 88% who know they are better than average, or one of the 12% who are worse?
https://www.smithlawco.com/blog/2017/december/do-most-driver...
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With emotions running high surrounding this newborn, me, or a family member, is likely to be stressed, under-slept, possibly drinking. Why wouldn't I want this hypothetical autonomous car to take us all home safely?
Because the math shows that currently it drives about as bad as a sometimes high, drunk, sleepy, angry person. If you had a family member that cared about you available to drive, they would be much safer than the typical ai car right now.
> Because the math shows that currently it drives about as bad as a sometimes high, drunk, sleepy, angry person.
This is surprising. Got a cite for that?
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#457Uhh.... thinking ahead of risks, and especially hidden cyclists and pedestrians is something that is taught in basic drivers ed here in Sweden. How can this not be the fault of the car? It should have realized that, yes, I am completely blind regarding whoever comes out from behind the truck, I should slow down.
I guess there are some qualifications here. If there was a severely low probability of a cyclist there, and especially if cycling was forbidden there, then this does not apply in the same way, although you should always be aware that others might break rules, and you are responsible for minimzing risks even to those. But, you can not slow down for every possibly suividal maniac throwing themselves out in the road where you are not supposed to be.
I still lean towards the car not being cautious enough.
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Unfortunately, we can't replicate your mother and put her behind the wheel of every vehicle in America. But we can crank out thousands of autonomous vehicles with thousands of identical copies of highly tuned safety algorithms.
If you had a new born to take home from the hospital and were 20 miles from home.. would you take an autonomous car or have you or a family member drive you home?
The closest I've come to killing another human was when I was driving to the hospital at night to pick up my wife & newborn, sleep-deprived and high on adrenaline, and came this >< close to taking out a cyclist I completely failed to see.
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We can compare this statistically by looking at accidents per 1,000,000 miles driven of autonomous cars vs humans. Over long mileage, the rate of prevented accidents shows up in the data as a lower overall accident rate. I don't have the stats at hand but Waymo does great on this stat. Now, that's not to say that Waymo would avoid any specific accident better than a human. But from a public health standpoint, that's…
> We can compare this statistically by looking at accidents per 1,000,000 miles driven of autonomous cars vs humans. This is extremely limited and really not relevant to the topic at hand. You've marginalized out the type of accidents. Most miles driven are on highways and this is a different environment than urban. The information you've marginalized out is essential for making reasonable conclusions about safety. I…
I can guarantee you there are more accidents per 1,000,000 miles driven in dense urban areas, and that's where Waymo has been driving as well. Last I checked they're not even operating on freeways.
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Exactly. I know that my odds are different from the average.
So are you one of the 88% who know they are better than average, or one of the 12% who are worse? https://www.smithlawco.com/blog/2017/december/do-most-driver...
>Obviously, not everyone can be above average. Exactly half of all drivers have to be in the bottom half when it comes to driving skills and safety.
This page is confused about the difference between mean and median. The 88% of drivers who think they are above average are not necessarily correct, but there would be nothing logically inconsistent about them being correct.