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Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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No, he has money vision. They're at an all time high right now. He's not going anywhere

We'll see how short-term thinking works out for them in a decade. "Rich but irrelevant" isn't a good place to end up. But at least shareholders in 2024 got a percentage more in gains.

Just like IBM, outperforming the S&P by -4500% overall since the 1960s.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Their CEO needs to go, he has no tech vision

No, he has money vision. They're at an all time high right now. He's not going anywhere

Tech CEOs seem to have realized the really short-term wins drive stock prices up. Feel especially bad recently. Feels like we're going to see crumbling software soon

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Outside of ads, and maybe LLM work, what projects are going on at Google that are interesting, to both the top brass and to line level engineers, that might lead people to feel differently? Google has been a rudderless ship cruising on ad dollars for years, with mid level managers launching one unimpressive product after another. Products that get canned by Google months later and only serve to benefit said managers…

I don't expect it to take over the world, but I really do hope Starline becomes a "thing" https://blog.google/technology/research/project-starline/

They should've pitched it as a video add-on to a new chat app.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Outside of ads, and maybe LLM work, what projects are going on at Google that are interesting, to both the top brass and to line level engineers, that might lead people to feel differently? Google has been a rudderless ship cruising on ad dollars for years, with mid level managers launching one unimpressive product after another. Products that get canned by Google months later and only serve to benefit said managers…

How do projects that get canned after a short time benefit the CVs of the managers who launched them? Serious question.

Up and out: launch something, get promoted, move onto the next team, what happens afterwards is the next guy's problem.

And of course the next guy won't get promo for maintaining the last guy's thing, so he's incentivized to nuke it and build his own shiny thing.

This can be observed in any large company though, not just Google.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Outside of ads, and maybe LLM work, what projects are going on at Google that are interesting, to both the top brass and to line level engineers, that might lead people to feel differently? Google has been a rudderless ship cruising on ad dollars for years, with mid level managers launching one unimpressive product after another. Products that get canned by Google months later and only serve to benefit said managers…

I'm hoping they're building a commodity AR/VR operating system -- essentially spatial Android. They've already announced a partnership with Samsung and Qualcomm so I've got to imagine some interesting hardware is coming soon.

Meh, I hope they don't chase the VR train and instead focus on making Search actually usable again. It's soooo bad these days and actively getting worse, with ever more ads and SEO crap.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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I've wondered about the connection between organizations at the human level, and entropy. Nothing can avoid the increase in entropy, not even teams and their work culture. The processes used get old and unwieldy, domain knowledge becomes fragmented, features take longer and have more bugs, etc.

Perhaps this is inevitable, but maybe organizations could become aware of the changes in entropy and try to do the equivalent of maintenance and refactoring at the organizational level. There is probably some of this already happening, but I wonder if information theory can be applied at the people level to optimize and prevent increases in entropy.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Outside of ads, and maybe LLM work, what projects are going on at Google that are interesting, to both the top brass and to line level engineers, that might lead people to feel differently? Google has been a rudderless ship cruising on ad dollars for years, with mid level managers launching one unimpressive product after another. Products that get canned by Google months later and only serve to benefit said managers…

I don't expect it to take over the world, but I really do hope Starline becomes a "thing" https://blog.google/technology/research/project-starline/

You should prepare to be disappointed. Project will be canceled shortly after it launches, if it ever launches.

Re: Morale plummets at Google as workers complain bosses are 'inept' and 'boring'

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Outside of ads, and maybe LLM work, what projects are going on at Google that are interesting, to both the top brass and to line level engineers, that might lead people to feel differently? Google has been a rudderless ship cruising on ad dollars for years, with mid level managers launching one unimpressive product after another. Products that get canned by Google months later and only serve to benefit said managers…

How do projects that get canned after a short time benefit the CVs of the managers who launched them? Serious question.

To my understanding a lot of these managers aren't sticking with the product too far after launch, they're often moving on internally to the next thing. So these managers get to say they were responsible for launching something new, and get to wash their hands of what happens after.

You'd think after all this time senior management, both internal and external, would see through this charade, but that is not apparently the case.

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