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How I got scammed on Facebook Marketplace (2023)

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Re: How I got scammed on Facebook Marketplace (2023)

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Fake tracking numbers are a common occurrence in scams now. Somehow the scammers are getting access to a database of real time legitimate tracking numbers, they wait until there’s a shipment in their database going to the same city as the buyer, and then use that tracking number to claim that they shipped the package. Maybe they’re paying a real merchant for access to their shipping database? Or are UPS tracking numb…

I think the idea is the scammer just picks a random business in the area then ships them an empty box with a real tracking number.

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Re: How I got scammed on Facebook Marketplace (2023)

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> The next morning, I called PayPal and asked them how the seller could’ve opened a case on my behalf against themselves. They weren’t sure. That's scary :/

I think this is the worst part of the event. PayPal is the most annoying service I use because it asks for 2FA for every damn action. So how could they take that action? Surely if they logged in they left breadcrumbs? The post is mildly infuriating because it doesn’t even try to answer very important that question.

This might be an option you turned on? I don't experience 2FA for paypal... But I'll probably go fix that today.

Re: How I got scammed on Facebook Marketplace (2023)

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> I paid $1,030 using PayPal Stopped reading right there. I don't know why anyone thinks this kind of transaction will ever work out in their favor. FB Marketplace/Craigslist etc. are fine, but the golden rule is to use them for local, in-person, cash-only exchanges and nothing else.

>> Stopped reading right there.

You really shouldn't comment on posts you haven't even bothered to read.

Re: How I got scammed on Facebook Marketplace (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been routine escrow mechanisms on bitcoin for 10 years? Its a very lucrative side business to operate those? They involve humans, they also involve multisignature accounts and smart contracts just like the white paper inspired or imagined 15 years ago. Its been one of the biggest boons for crypto native commerce, even when automated by the marketplace when the local government doesnt like a website they no…

>There have been routine escrow mechanisms on bitcoin for 10 years? Its a very lucrative side business to operate those? Are those questions?

No, they are exclamations!

Re: How I got scammed on Facebook Marketplace (2023)

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Been using Marketplace for 5 years with probably +100 items sold. Scammers in my experience usually exhibit these traits: * They have a new account, and have no Marketplace reviews. * They want it shipped and will pay extra for shipping. (While some real sellers will want it shipped, most will come by to pick it up.) * They do not try to low ball you or even negotiate. (Facebook sellers are notoriously cheap.) * Ther…

Interesting. I wonder what the author should have done differently. Second paragraph in the article is:

> I bought the camera from a profile that was created in 2017. They had some other things for sale, too. The account looked legit — lots of family photos and comments from family members.

Re: How I got scammed on Facebook Marketplace (2023)

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Interesting story - I wonder how they managed to manipulate the Paypal account of the victim. Clearly Paypal has a problem there. But the other issue is that of general lawlessness and the fact that this scammer will get away with the attempted scamming, and probably do it to other people, too. For every person like the OP who manage, somehow, to protect themselves, there are 1000 others who don't. And there is the i…

Well if any one can log into paypal and open and close cases, they might as well just use the paypal account to pay themselves directly or buy stuff. I don't understand why the seller had to use FB to scam people when they could manipulate the paypal account directly

Re: How I got scammed on Facebook Marketplace (2023)

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I like to think I'm pretty scam-savvy, but it only takes a moment of the holes in the swiss cheese aligning. I saw a recreation of a movie prop that looked like a good gift idea for a friend and made an impulse purchase. Something was nagging at the back of my head and a couple of minutes later I had a sinking feeling that it might be a scam -- sure enough, a little research showed that the product photos were stolen, the original was a limited-run authorized item that sold for 20x what I paid, and I found a forum post where this scam item was being discussed.

The web site I bought from was a single legitimate-looking veneer page with most of its content lifted from templates, and there was no functional tracking or order management anywhere, so I immediately e-mailed them asking to cancel the order, to which they replied that they that the product was "good quality", "you can rest assured that you have it", and that they would charge me a 5% fee to cancel. So I opened a case with PayPal and they closed it saying the transaction was "consistent with my purchase history", whatever that means. I appealed and they doubled down that it was not fraudulent. There are no more buttons to press at that point, but I wrote back again reiterating all of the evidence that they were actively providing a payment service to facilitate fraudulent transactions (the scammer was still around and still advertising the same fake products) and after a long period of silence I suddenly got a refund.

PayPal is not on your side as a customer, especially if you're dealing with a professional scammer who knows how to play the game and string things out. I suspect what happened here was that they got one too many complaints, and if they'd been a little less greedy or more careful, they would have walked away with the bag of money.

Re: How I got scammed on Facebook Marketplace (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is the worst part of the event. PayPal is the most annoying service I use because it asks for 2FA for every damn action. So how could they take that action? Surely if they logged in they left breadcrumbs? The post is mildly infuriating because it doesn’t even try to answer very important that question.

This might be an option you turned on? I don't experience 2FA for paypal... But I'll probably go fix that today.

I'm pretty sure it's part of "the algorithm". I don't get 2FA prompts every time, but ever so often for it to be annoying - especially since I am then thrown back to the login prompt which dares to tell me that the password from my password manager was wrong. No, it wasn't wrong, your system apparently just cannot handle going from a password prompt to 2FA and then realizing that the correct password was already entered! I asked lots of people around me and they don't have this issue, so I guess it's kinda random who is treated how.

Re: How I got scammed on Facebook Marketplace (2023)

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> (They asked early on for my phone number “for the tracking information,” which in retrospect doesn’t make a lot of sense.) When I have shipped parcels (legitimately to people I know personally), the courier services have a place on the form for phone numbers. And I do generally try to make sure I fill in an accurate phone number.

Came here to point out the same thing. I guess when dealing with internet randos, it's best to keep your real digits to yourself (or at least use a phone number that isn't linked to your PayPal account).
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