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Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by nonethewiser »

a321neo wrote: post #24

Public sector IT in Denmark has been in a weird tug of war between those eager to sell out our data to American companies and those who naively think Ubuntu and LibreOffice can realistically replace the public sector's dependency on Microsoft. We need to keep our data in Denmark and become less dependent on American companies (and especially Microsoft/Google). But the change needs to be led by IT professionals who ca…

The de-division of labor. I suppose the effects will be the opposite of the division of labor.

Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by jfoster »

blackhaz wrote: post #30
lakpan wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> crime against our children. Sounds a bit hyperbolic. How are kids being hurt by Google specifically?

Take a read here: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11528-021-00599-4 Not specifically related to Google, but we are making our kids write less, which literally dumbs them down: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264763007_Handwriti... (You can find lots of research on this, there's no controversy here.) Somewhat less of a profound problem…

This case isn't about whether kids use keyboards or not. It's about whether they use Chromebooks.

Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

jongjong wrote: post #119
liveoneggs wrote: post #103

This article advocates for Linux (Chromebook is already Linux) on refurbished hardware (a random mix of old laptops in a large-scale deployment lol) and a laundry list of other "technology solutions" which would be, obviously, impossible for a school system to smoothly maintain or even deploy. I'm not sure privacydad has ever deployed or maintained an IT department. A school system is very complex. For what they offe…

>> A school system is very complex. But does it need to be? School private networks seem unnecessary, especially nowadays when most apps are cloud-based and don't require installation. Many modern routers support domain blacklists to prevent access to inappropriate content. What else is needed?

lol if you think a domain blacklist is an effective way to block inappropriate content.

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Post by Erratic6576 »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #89
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actual reading is super important; the letteredness of people has been in decline for decades, and while it's partially to blame on the shift in entertainment preferences, schools de-emphasising reading and understanding in favor of other skills has been a big factor as well. Your remark about the suppliers wanting to get the kids "hooked" on their products isn't new btw, this was happening 20+ years ago already with…

Letteredness = literacy, right?

Yeah embiggening your word-stock

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Post by liveoneggs »

jongjong wrote: post #119
liveoneggs wrote: post #103

This article advocates for Linux (Chromebook is already Linux) on refurbished hardware (a random mix of old laptops in a large-scale deployment lol) and a laundry list of other "technology solutions" which would be, obviously, impossible for a school system to smoothly maintain or even deploy. I'm not sure privacydad has ever deployed or maintained an IT department. A school system is very complex. For what they offe…

>> A school system is very complex. But does it need to be? School private networks seem unnecessary, especially nowadays when most apps are cloud-based and don't require installation. Many modern routers support domain blacklists to prevent access to inappropriate content. What else is needed?

The entire discussion is about how cloud apps are illegal for children because of GDPR

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

op00to wrote: post #92
blackhaz wrote: post #76

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Oh no, it does matter a lot. Would you want to grow up in a cartoon world with Google execs owning all they keys to your reality? Believe me, it matters for Google and other big tech who create this layer of abstraction between the reality and their customers. Because it matters for their bottom line. Initially the motive may have been totally benign, like making things easier. But the fact that they are profit-orien…

My life is already owned by banks, insurance companies, my children, my spouse. What’s one more overlord? Frankly knowing folks who work at Google, I do not have a lot of confidence that they will succeed at much of anything but selling ads and making money.

> My life is already owned by banks, insurance companies, my children, my spouse. What’s one more overlord?

Greater societal inequality.

Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by Erratic6576 »

caldarons wrote: post #21
throwaway71271 wrote: post #7

Schools+laptops is absolutely crazy. The amount of incompetence is beyond reason. My daughter(12)'s keyboard got broken, now she is afraid she wont be able to take her exam with an external keyboard because there is a spyware extension they use called 'safe exam browser' that might block her computer when she plugs the keyboard. Most of the kids are just using it to snapchat during class. I will honestly prefer to ju…

As someone who went to a high school (Italy) where in the first two years each student had a laptop they could use in the classroom, I agree that having a computer per student is a bad idea. In my experience, what ended up happening was that pupils who already knew their way around a computer didn't really get any extra benefit from using cmputers in the classroom and those who didn't like using computers hated it ev…

I graduated and went to Germany for seconds. Got myself a fancy laptop so I could thrive during the lessons, browsing Reddit. I wish I had known

Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by hilbert42 »

throwaway71271 wrote: post #7

Schools+laptops is absolutely crazy. The amount of incompetence is beyond reason. My daughter(12)'s keyboard got broken, now she is afraid she wont be able to take her exam with an external keyboard because there is a spyware extension they use called 'safe exam browser' that might block her computer when she plugs the keyboard. Most of the kids are just using it to snapchat during class. I will honestly prefer to ju…

I agree. Kids don't need these types of concerns and distractions in their formative years. And computers are inherently distracting—as the intrinsic design of modern computers ensures that's the case.

Thankfully, my primary education was before computer tech in schools or I'd have been sidetracked by the technology and it's pretty certain I'd have learned much less. Even by that age I was fascinated by electronic stuff and invariably I'd have pull it apart or tested it to destruction.

Right, had I had the tech I'd have lost out on two accounts, not only would I have been distracted by it but I'd have likely lost it or rendered it useless by the time exams came around. Not having the compulsory tech necessary for exams would have added further unecessary stress and distraction.

Re: Final Decision on Chromebook Case in Denmark

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Post by npteljes »

art3m wrote: post #101

From the point of Google, what's the point of collecting students data?

I think a lot of data collection is done a bit like research is. The purposes are unclear, but the sea of data might become useful later on. Time might reveal trends, certain now-insignificant people might become significant, new data mining tools might be discovered that highlight something useful, things like this.
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