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Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by mrtksn »

timeon wrote: post #190
mrtksn wrote: post #177

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I mentioned them due to their geographic positional extremes. Replace Istanbul with Athens, London with Amsterdam and Oslo with Stockholm ıf you want to include EU only cities and its the same thing, just slightly narrower geography. EU is a subset of Europe but its very wide subset, which includes most of the extremes.

You can get geographic extremes just with Norway. Oslo to Kirkenes (which is further east than Istanbul).

Sure, you should write a comment using these examples. I prefer the more recognizable ones.

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Post by npteljes »

brettgo1 wrote: post #65

It'll be interesting to see how kids will respond to AI hallucinations. Will they just accept it as fact?

Same as with every piece of information in the past. How do people react to information now? If the source seems to be trusted, or confirm existing biases and expectations, they will likely believe it.

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Post by cageface »

lpapez wrote: post #142
cageface wrote: post #127

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Took about 10 seconds to get the correct answer on ChatGPT. But, generally speaking, if you don’t have some way of verifying what the correct answer is, how can you be sure that the answers you get in 10 seconds from the LLM are actually correct?

If you don't have a way of verifying what the correct answer is, then is there actually a correct answer at all? In many cases, programming included, you don't actually care if it's 100% correct, it is enough to just give you a nudge, show you the way forward, suggest some ideas etc. If whatever it is you are doing can be verified for correctness, then of course you will check the answer. But for creative pursuits th…

Right. The two areas where I've found current AI to be useful are code generation where I can fairly easily check the results and creative stuff where it doesn't matter.

I don't understand how people feel they can use it as a search engine replacement. If you have to go separately check the results then it doesn't seem like it's saving any time. I suspect people are just trusting the output a lot more than they should.

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

tpetry wrote: post #140
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #81

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Maybe it will teach them critical thinking.

I hope for that too. But I believe it wont. The complete Fake News topic just shows that everyone is happy trusting information that matches their beliefs. There is never any critical thinking or verification if it is actually true or just made up. And its enough when such a technology is 80% right. Nobody will verify every answer if it is correct most of the time.

Although kids necessarily don't have those ego dependent beliefs ingrained within them yet. So if they see that false information can be presented very convincingly, perhaps they learn not to trust just everything and in addition question what their parents are telling them.

The issue arises when the belief you have is tied to your ego so you only cherry-pick the evidence that will satisfy your ego and ignore/question everything else, but not this.

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Post by arlort »

mrtksn wrote: post #187
arlort wrote: post #184

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A mix and match of the US immediately after the constitution was signed and the US during the Articles of Confederation is the best way to think about it

That was long ago. Europe's latest great war was like 80 years ago, the standardisation and free movement through EU and Schengen are even fresher. The language barriers aren't even lifted yet, though the young seems to be quite good with adopting English as lingua franca. Yet, most of the Europeans can't talk to each other because the older generations in general will speak the language of their neighbour only and t…

Wrong comment you replied to? I was talking about the institutional setup and maybe political mechanics, not identity

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Post by onethought »

cageface wrote: post #131
onethought wrote: post #83

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It’s pretty solid on well understood facts, physics, mathematics. It’s not so good at problem solving, it’s pretty good at code in some languages but it others. It’s quite good at translation in a number of languages. It’s great and fictional writing in any particular style. Isn’t denying these facts just as dogmatic as accepting them blindly?

I wouldn’t call it great at writing fiction. Its prose style is bland and generic. There’s no authorial voice.

There is if you give it one. Literally write your criticism in and it will improve

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by mrtksn »

arlort wrote: post #197
mrtksn wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was long ago. Europe's latest great war was like 80 years ago, the standardisation and free movement through EU and Schengen are even fresher. The language barriers aren't even lifted yet, though the young seems to be quite good with adopting English as lingua franca. Yet, most of the Europeans can't talk to each other because the older generations in general will speak the language of their neighbour only and t…

Wrong comment you replied to? I was talking about the institutional setup and maybe political mechanics, not identity

apologies

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by rambambram »

djhn wrote: post #157
rambambram wrote: post #84

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Nice! I get emails from Meetup with subject texts like "You're the organisator [that this and that Meetup needs]" and every time I open that email to find out what the complete sentence is and am a little bit relieved to find out I'm not an organisator of something by accident. It's on the edge, but not over it. Smart marketing from Meetup. Never knew there was a name for these sentences.

Which part of that is the subject line? Does it include the entire sentence as long as your email client can display it? Or does it literally cut off the sentence mid-point? I would call that misleading and definitely over the edge.

> "You're the organisator

is visible in the overview.

> [that this and that Meetup needs]"

Is the full sentence visible after clicking.

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