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Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by cageface »

onethought wrote: post #83
codingminds wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came here to say this as well. Every time someone replies with "I've asked ChatGPT.." or "Why not ask ChatGPT?" I get seriously mad. It's like religious people. Totally convinced of a fake story and therefore tells it as truth. > People are enthralled with this tech when they should still be very very skeptical. Yes, that's the real issue. Everyone should be very skeptical about ChatGPT responses. But instead it's…

It’s pretty solid on well understood facts, physics, mathematics. It’s not so good at problem solving, it’s pretty good at code in some languages but it others. It’s quite good at translation in a number of languages. It’s great and fictional writing in any particular style. Isn’t denying these facts just as dogmatic as accepting them blindly?

I wouldn’t call it great at writing fiction. Its prose style is bland and generic. There’s no authorial voice.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by panxyh »

philip1209 wrote: post #122
panxyh wrote: post #115

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Time is saved, brain cells don’t need to ;)

It's intellectually dishonest to assume that AI decreases intelligence.

I meant to say that unlike time, brain cells aren’t a scarce resource.

I make no statement about AIs influence on intelligence yet.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by tpetry »

klodolph wrote: post #130
chaosprint wrote: post #125

My opinion: irresponsible for children; it's just that some civil servants want to show that they understand the trend. They love to do this kind of movement in order to "show off". But the fact is that they only have a partial understanding of this technology and follow what others say. There is no information that they compared open source models and considered whether to build their own data servers. You should at…

Reminds me of when school districts would buy iPads or laptops or computer labs without any idea of how those machines would support their mission.

Exactly. I‘ve seen it sold that anyone has less books to carry and they could do more digital stuff - but nobody had any real plans. In the end one of ten text books was a PDF and you didn‘t gain anything. Its worse, now your textbook can have no battery and there are no electricity plugs near you…

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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klodolph wrote: post #130
chaosprint wrote: post #125

My opinion: irresponsible for children; it's just that some civil servants want to show that they understand the trend. They love to do this kind of movement in order to "show off". But the fact is that they only have a partial understanding of this technology and follow what others say. There is no information that they compared open source models and considered whether to build their own data servers. You should at…

Reminds me of when school districts would buy iPads or laptops or computer labs without any idea of how those machines would support their mission.

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Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by wodenokoto »

klodolph wrote: post #130
chaosprint wrote: post #125

My opinion: irresponsible for children; it's just that some civil servants want to show that they understand the trend. They love to do this kind of movement in order to "show off". But the fact is that they only have a partial understanding of this technology and follow what others say. There is no information that they compared open source models and considered whether to build their own data servers. You should at…

Reminds me of when school districts would buy iPads or laptops or computer labs without any idea of how those machines would support their mission.

Not having a computer lab, even in the 90s, seems irresponsible to me.

Yes, figuring out how to teach and what to teach using computers was difficult, but students needs familiarity with computers and how to use them.

Saying that "they'll learn on their own in their spare time" is ridiculous and tantamount to saying schools shouldn't be teaching reading, because students will want to read on their own outside school and they already have access to books at home.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by vunderba »

krupan wrote: post #44

Am I the only one left with a deep distrust of ChatGPT? It still lies ("hallucinates"), doesn't it? And no, I will not accept a rebuttal that says, "well everyone lies" because no, not everyone is as confidently wrong as ChatGPT. It's doesn't qualify statements with, "I was told..." or, "some believe..." or, "I'm not sure but it might be..." It just flat out lies. People are enthralled with this tech when they should…

I don't wanna be the guy who pulls out the "you're holding the phone wrong" from Apple, but... you're holding the phone wrong.

Here's an example of some thing I did off the cuff. I have a bunch of hand written notes that are mind maps and graphs written on old notebooks from 10 years ago. I snapped a picture of all of the different graphs, threw them into chatGPT and asked it to convert them to mermaid UML syntax.

Every single one of them converted flawlessly when I brought them into my markdown editor.

The amazing thing here is that that the ChatGPT large language model wasn't even explicitly trained for this at all, but with the massive quantity of data that it's trained on its able to just connect the dots.

If you're using chatGPT as nothing more than a glorified fact checker and not taking advantage of the multimodal capabilities such as vision, OCR, Python VM, generative imagery, you're really missing the point.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by rjzzleep »

wodenokoto wrote: post #135
klodolph wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of when school districts would buy iPads or laptops or computer labs without any idea of how those machines would support their mission.

Not having a computer lab, even in the 90s, seems irresponsible to me. Yes, figuring out how to teach and what to teach using computers was difficult, but students needs familiarity with computers and how to use them. Saying that "they'll learn on their own in their spare time" is ridiculous and tantamount to saying schools shouldn't be teaching reading, because students will want to read on their own outside school…

Putting iPad's and Computer labs in the same category is weird actually. One is a consumption good except for certain use cases and the other is a treasure trove for teaching.

BTW a lot of corporations that have yearly IT budgets replace large portions of PC's and server goods and sell them to schools for a dollar (or Euro). I wish that my school growing up knew about this.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by 15457345234 »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #81
brettgo1 wrote: post #65

It'll be interesting to see how kids will respond to AI hallucinations. Will they just accept it as fact?

Maybe it will teach them critical thinking.

When you ask an AI for a list of citations and it returns a list of 10 names, pages and dates no amount of 'critical thinking' will let you determine which answers are correct or incorrect, you have to sit there and painfully cross-reference each one.

The 'critical thinking' part at this point in time leads you to only one conclusion: that the tool is unreliable and dangerous and shouldn't be used. Or, you're teaching kids that they need to cross-reference all 'authoritative sources' which leads to a complete failure of the system - if you give kids a textbook will they have been 'trained' by GPT to not believe a word of any of the claims in it without cross-referencing? How does that enable better education.

If you provide a tool from a position of authority it needs to be a reliable and believable tool; standing in a position of authority and handing out access (to children!) to a lie box and asking those children to 'rely on it' is frankly abusive. That's beyond mixed messaging, that's just some form of weird mental torture.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by tpetry »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #81
brettgo1 wrote: post #65

It'll be interesting to see how kids will respond to AI hallucinations. Will they just accept it as fact?

Maybe it will teach them critical thinking.

I hope for that too. But I believe it wont. The complete Fake News topic just shows that everyone is happy trusting information that matches their beliefs. There is never any critical thinking or verification if it is actually true or just made up.

And its enough when such a technology is 80% right. Nobody will verify every answer if it is correct most of the time.

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