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Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by vorticalbox »

Roark66 wrote: post #141
behnamoh wrote: post #26

Why not use a combination of open source and OpenAI models? GPT-3.5 is already beaten by Mixtral and Mistral-Medium. The first one you can host for free and the second has a darn cheap API while getting really close to GPT-4 performance.

There are certain "quality of life" issues with the open source ecosystem. I don't blame them for choosing (not at all) OpenAI. For one putting together a chatgpt like experience that supports reliably at least chat history and per user system prompts of different models, requires a chat client that doesn't exist (at least it didn't a couple of months ago when I was looking for one). The closest we have now is a vsco…

Have you looked at llamafile[0]? It can spin up a openAi compatible API for a while host of LLM.

[0] https://github.com/Mozilla-Ocho/llamafile

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by klodolph »

wodenokoto wrote: post #135
klodolph wrote: post #130

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Reminds me of when school districts would buy iPads or laptops or computer labs without any idea of how those machines would support their mission.

Not having a computer lab, even in the 90s, seems irresponsible to me. Yes, figuring out how to teach and what to teach using computers was difficult, but students needs familiarity with computers and how to use them. Saying that "they'll learn on their own in their spare time" is ridiculous and tantamount to saying schools shouldn't be teaching reading, because students will want to read on their own outside school…

> Yes, figuring out how to teach and what to teach using computers was difficult, but students needs familiarity with computers and how to use them.

Someone coming in here and %s/computers/ChatGPT/g is going to make an argument that sounds equally reasonable—so if ChatGPT is truly, materially different and worse, then the argument against it is a different argument.

My complaint here is that schools are making educational decisions based on technological fads, without good plans for how to use these technologies in education. Yes, a stopped clock is right twice a day—sometimes, it will be the right decision. Sometimes it will be the wrong decision. The trick is knowing the difference.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by liampulles »

behnamoh wrote: post #26

Why not use a combination of open source and OpenAI models? GPT-3.5 is already beaten by Mixtral and Mistral-Medium. The first one you can host for free and the second has a darn cheap API while getting really close to GPT-4 performance.

If you are training future workers en-masse, it makes sense to train them to use the industry standard

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by singularity2001 »

15457345234 wrote: post #139
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #81

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Maybe it will teach them critical thinking.

When you ask an AI for a list of citations and it returns a list of 10 names, pages and dates no amount of 'critical thinking' will let you determine which answers are correct or incorrect, you have to sit there and painfully cross-reference each one. The 'critical thinking' part at this point in time leads you to only one conclusion: that the tool is unreliable and dangerous and shouldn't be used. Or, you're teachin…

checking the first source to see that it's none existing will (hopefully) teach you a lesson

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by hnfong »

panxyh wrote: post #132
philip1209 wrote: post #122

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It's intellectually dishonest to assume that AI decreases intelligence.

I meant to say that unlike time, brain cells aren’t a scarce resource. I make no statement about AIs influence on intelligence yet.

Given that we know people aren't infinitely intelligent and they perform better with intellectual tasks if given more time...

Unless you have an abundance of "free" brain power eg. you work physical labor or otherwise don't have a job that requires mental work... how isn't brain cells (figuratively speaking) a scarce resource?

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by djhn »

rambambram wrote: post #84
schiffern wrote: post #47

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I, for one, welcome our new Norwegian overlords. btw it's called a garden-path sentence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden-path_sentence

Nice! I get emails from Meetup with subject texts like "You're the organisator [that this and that Meetup needs]" and every time I open that email to find out what the complete sentence is and am a little bit relieved to find out I'm not an organisator of something by accident. It's on the edge, but not over it. Smart marketing from Meetup. Never knew there was a name for these sentences.

Which part of that is the subject line? Does it include the entire sentence as long as your email client can display it? Or does it literally cut off the sentence mid-point? I would call that misleading and definitely over the edge.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by vinni2 »

gamesbrainiac wrote: post #7

It’s GPT 3.5 though.

Yes it is GPT-3.5 access through Azure if I am correct. University of Oslo has already done this for their staff and students. They have built a UI https://www.uio.no/english/services/it/ai/gpt-uio/index.html . They call it privacy-focused chatgpt but it is poor quality UI and doesnt have access to GPT-4.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by liampulles »

hattmall wrote: post #111
reilly3000 wrote: post #57

It will be interesting to see how this shapes the lives of the students and educators. Its embrace signals some acquiescence to the reality that LLMs are here to stay and may as well be used to their full potential. I imagine students being able to cover a lot of ground on a topic with ChatGPT and interrogate it with detail, as well as learn how to fact check its contents. This stands in sharp contrast towards US sch…

I use chatgpt, begrudgingly, because it's frequently wrong and takes a lot of iterations to get something right. But, I use it, because Google sucks. I would have very little use for chatgpt with the Google of,I guess, like 10-12 years ago. You could go back even further and ~25 years ago, I had an entire class on using search engines and all manner of advanced operators and search techniques. With today's computing…

I feel very similar. I would like an LLM search engine which is adept at finding pertinent information, but does not try to re-synthesise what it finds.

I.e. good google

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