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Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by teapot7 »

ryanjshaw wrote: post #53
krupan wrote: post #44

Am I the only one left with a deep distrust of ChatGPT? It still lies ("hallucinates"), doesn't it? And no, I will not accept a rebuttal that says, "well everyone lies" because no, not everyone is as confidently wrong as ChatGPT. It's doesn't qualify statements with, "I was told..." or, "some believe..." or, "I'm not sure but it might be..." It just flat out lies. People are enthralled with this tech when they should…

It doesn't "lie" (there's no intent to deceive). It makes "mistakes" [1]. It's a tool that is increasingly a part of the modern world whether you like it or not. Students who learn how to use the tool, which includes learning its limitations, will benefit overall. [1] technically it doesn't even make "mistakes", it's just an LLM doing its thing, but we humans like to anthropomorphise

We do like our anthropomorphisation, and I prefer to say that ChatGPT and its pal likes to "bullshit". They're neither "trying" to tell the truth nor trying to lie - they trying to sound plausible, with a cheerful disregard of the value of truth.

I'm done anthopomorphising now.

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by interpol_p »

krupan wrote: post #44

Am I the only one left with a deep distrust of ChatGPT? It still lies ("hallucinates"), doesn't it? And no, I will not accept a rebuttal that says, "well everyone lies" because no, not everyone is as confidently wrong as ChatGPT. It's doesn't qualify statements with, "I was told..." or, "some believe..." or, "I'm not sure but it might be..." It just flat out lies. People are enthralled with this tech when they should…

As long as you _know the right answer_, ChatGPT is a very useful tool

90% of the time I know the code I want to write. ChatGPT just writes it for me, when I read it I can confirm it is what I would have written, or fix it if not (or more likely: tell ChatGPT to fix it)

This means I don’t have to google for syntax, canonical ways of doing things, etc.

If you are asking ChatGPT for facts, triple check everything it tells you. Or better still, paste the Wikipedia entry to it first, then ask for the style or type of writing you are interested in about those facts

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by m3kw9 »

behnamoh wrote: post #26

Why not use a combination of open source and OpenAI models? GPT-3.5 is already beaten by Mixtral and Mistral-Medium. The first one you can host for free and the second has a darn cheap API while getting really close to GPT-4 performance.

Mistral medium still trash vs gpt4

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by willsmith72 »

schiffern wrote: post #47
gandalfgeek wrote: post #18

My brain stopped in surprise after parsing the first half of that headline. "Oslo acquires ChatGPT.."?!

I, for one, welcome our new Norwegian overlords. btw it's called a garden-path sentence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden-path_sentence

that explanation is far more malicious than the truth, a "google-translate"ism

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by onethought »

mepian wrote: post #34
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"GPT-3.5 is already beaten by Mixtral and Mistral-Medium" Not really relevant when they will be using GPT-4, is it? Plus the powerful features from code interpreter is a night and day difference Not everything is worth saving a bit of money to get worse performance from something that has a worse network effect

The article says GPT-3.5 though.

But that’s free. So what did they acquire then? Logins?

Re: Oslo acquires ChatGPT for 110k students and teachers

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Post by huytersd »

krupan wrote: post #44

Am I the only one left with a deep distrust of ChatGPT? It still lies ("hallucinates"), doesn't it? And no, I will not accept a rebuttal that says, "well everyone lies" because no, not everyone is as confidently wrong as ChatGPT. It's doesn't qualify statements with, "I was told..." or, "some believe..." or, "I'm not sure but it might be..." It just flat out lies. People are enthralled with this tech when they should…

It doesn’t matter. The way it’s set up now, you can actually ask it to look up real information with sources linked.
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