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Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

#191
post #65

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No, the absolute sales and percentage of sales is up, it's just the rate of acceleration that's decreased. https://www.ev-volumes.com/

This literally has sections labeled “Lower European Expectations” and “North American fall”.

But note that the actual data presented shows an increase in sales.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

#192
post #75

This article leaves a lot of details out. As a Parisian who's been following this with attention, here are a few details: * first, the "SUV" part is the intent, but not the reality. It's actually by weight: over 1600kg for ICE and 2000kg for electric/hybrids. A lot of French SUVs fit under those restrictions (for example Peugeot 2008/3008). It's unclear to me if there is really something specific to target those SUVs…

In my country the car registration document has the weight number but not the width number. I suspect in France it's the same, and that's the reason they went by weight instead of width – it's easier to administer that way.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

#193

This vote was a total joke. For example, the question on the ballots was totally different and like "do you approve bad things"? But if you want to laugh a little bit, look at the official results: https://x.com/lachape_one/status/1754271878737203536?s=20 The total of ballots "FOR" + "AGAINST" in one district equal to 108% ...

The vote is a joke because of a typo on a webpage? Results are 59,20% and 40,80%. https://www.paris.fr/pages/plus-ou-moins-de-suv-les-parisien...

No, it is one of the hundred of points why it is a joke.

Like for example not defining what people are voting for, or having more voting locations in small less populated districts that the mayor majority control and people being refused of some voting hall in the other districts being told to go in another district.

Almost nothing respected the rules of a fair votation.

Regarding the typo (maybe), the point is not an error on a random webpage but this page is the official results display for the votation. It let's you see how the rest was handled!

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

#194
post #86

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Another factor is that car companies market SUVs heavily.

Another factor is that you get often more space in cabin and boot compared to a "regular" car of the same length. I.e. you get more comfort for passengers while still able to fit in the same parking space. It's not just fashion. There are real reasons why families purchase SUVs. SUVs nowadays are not just Range Rovers and BMW X5s, there are myriad smaller vehicles starting from 4m length. Even France's own Renault, P…

SUVs are more profitable than "regular" cars. Therefore they are marketed more heavily. Consumer choice is obviously not entirely driven by marketing, but if it didn't have an impact, car companies wouldn't do it.

American automakers are obviously much further down this path, but European automakers don't have to pay for externalities either.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

#196
post #147

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The X3 is big (D segment I believe) and larger by a decent margin than most other cars on the road. Even the X1 is not anywhere near close to being small (C segment?).

Sorry, I don't know segments. Dimensions - some examples: Toyota Corolla 4600mm x 1710mm [0] Toyota Prius 4645mm x 1760mm [1] BMW X3 4,716mm x 2138mm [2] VW Passat 4767mm x 2083mm [3] Doesn't look like an X3 is particularly egregious vs some non-SUV family cars. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Avensis [1] https://www.parkers.co.uk/toyota/prius/plug-in-2017/specs [2] https://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/x3/suv-2017/…

Height is my biggest concern as a cyclist and pedestrian.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

#197
post #75

This article leaves a lot of details out. As a Parisian who's been following this with attention, here are a few details: * first, the "SUV" part is the intent, but not the reality. It's actually by weight: over 1600kg for ICE and 2000kg for electric/hybrids. A lot of French SUVs fit under those restrictions (for example Peugeot 2008/3008). It's unclear to me if there is really something specific to target those SUVs…

The weight limit is quite weird. My 2019 BMW 2 series (so not big at all!) weighs 1690kg and length of 443.7cm has a width of 177.4cm without mirrors.

Indeed, the Tesla model Y is also below 2000kg.

I also think the weight for EV cars should be lowered, considering the better acceleration that EVs have.

Perhaps that will come later.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

#198
post #196

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Sorry, I don't know segments. Dimensions - some examples: Toyota Corolla 4600mm x 1710mm [0] Toyota Prius 4645mm x 1760mm [1] BMW X3 4,716mm x 2138mm [2] VW Passat 4767mm x 2083mm [3] Doesn't look like an X3 is particularly egregious vs some non-SUV family cars. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Avensis [1] https://www.parkers.co.uk/toyota/prius/plug-in-2017/specs [2] https://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/x3/suv-2017/…

Height is my biggest concern as a cyclist and pedestrian.

Okay, so again - my people carrier, which is not large, is about the height of an X3. Vans and lorries are much higher. Why SUVs in particular?

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

#199
post #133

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>the result was expected With 54,55 % in favor and only 5,68 % voting, I wouldn't call that "expected". >is strictly a QoL improvements for Parisians No, anyone visiting Paris in anything other than an SUV (say, a train, a bus, a bicycle) will benefit.

To be fair, the sentiment was "it will be a landslide in favour" (like the electric scooters). It indeed wasn't, but still went in the expected way. People visiting Paris were not polled, only Parisians were, that's why I only explained this point of view. But yes it does benefit everyone that doesn't visit Paris in a SUV. Note that it also impacts Parisians with a SUV when they are parking outside of their resident…

If only parisians were polled doea that not mke this the dwfinition of nimby bs? This isnt necessarily a terrible idea, just a terrible, punitive attack on an unfashionable vehicle type. This would be much better if they charged b^ the foot or something rather than having 2 categories with such a large cost difference

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

#200
post #149

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Agreed -- the popularity of giant vehicles is basically a tragedy-of-the-commons situation, and probably regulation is the only way to fix it at this point.

Yeah once you have kids, you realize this isn't the truth but actually just FUD.

SUVs are shit with interior space. Compare an X5 with a VW Sharan and you will see the latter one is a space wonder
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