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Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Why a tonnage limit for electric vehicles. It's obviously not entirely for GHG reasons. 2T is not all that heavy for EVs.

2T is a lot for EVs! Take Tesla for example: all their 4 cars 3 are huge and the only one who is just barely below the limit is larger than the vast majority of cars on the road: the 3 often doesn't fit on parking spots neatly and has trouble with narrower streets.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imo you should be allowed to use the parking spots for just about whatever you want within reason. Pay the parking price and set up a hotdog stand for the day if you want. Then raise the price until some spots are usually free

Imagine if you could live in a parking spot. Or turn it into an AirBnB. Parking charges (and congestion charges) should equilibriate with rents for the same ground area.

Used to be 5 EUR per day here, so that's 150 EUR for the month to pitch your tent, not bad.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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post #96

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EVs in Europe and the US are on the downward trend at the moment. I’m not entirely sure why, maybe they are still too expensive.

In the EU current short-term trends don't matter that much as long as the scheduled fleet emmision rules will come into force as is the current regulation. That means from 1.1.2025, for passenger cars 93,6 g CO2/km average (which is impossible with ICE-only cars of current sizes and technology) and the manufacturer pays a fine for anything above that. But that can be relaxed if they sell at least 25% EVs (0 g CO2/km)…

It's pretty easy to achieve fleet goals with plugin hybrids, since they have ridiculously low emissions on the standard tests (unlike in reality).

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EVs are not really popular in my EU city because they require a dedicated parking space with a charger and most people live in an apartment with none of that.

Daily at-home charging is needed only for plug-in hybrids. BEVs can easily do a week of city driving without needing to charge. In my city supermarkets have charging on their parking lots, so my car charges when I'm shopping.

I wonder if the next invention will be a "powerbank" for cars... rather than those dumb e-scooters littering the sidewalks, how about a giant battery on 4 wheels you can leave next to your car to charge it? When it's close to depletion, just like the e-scooters, a van can come around and take them to a hub to be charged. Or I suppose a car driver can put them in the trunk and return to that hub, in case they're driving that direction anyway (plus, they can collect another one to place in their neighborhood).

Sadly it'll probably need protection against people whose denial of the climate crisis involve violence and vandalism.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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post #10

There are small SUVs and they are great. They are popular for a reason: they have Utility, and you can use them slightly offroad. OTOH an X3 or other luxury suv is basically stupid concept other than a display of wealth.

An X3 weighs less than 1600kg and isn't affected by this regulation.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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When I told my wife this, her immediate reaction was - “oh no, the families with 2 or more children that needs a bigger car will be penalized because of the SUVs driven by those who don’t need it”. And I said may be this is a two birds one stone moment.

Give out SUV passes to those families with 2 or more children, and make it absurdly expensive for the rest. This way either you help increase the birth rate in EU or pay for the luxury of driving a huge thing on the road disproportionate to others.

I see the article didn’t go about that way, and didn’t even apply for residents. Just for the tourists…. Meh.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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This vote was a total joke. For example, the question on the ballots was totally different and like "do you approve bad things"? But if you want to laugh a little bit, look at the official results: https://x.com/lachape_one/status/1754271878737203536?s=20 The total of ballots "FOR" + "AGAINST" in one district equal to 108% ...

The vote is a joke because of a typo on a webpage?

Results are 59,20% and 40,80%. https://www.paris.fr/pages/plus-ou-moins-de-suv-les-parisien...

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

… Wait, how are you defining ‘downward trend’? The rate of _growth_ has slackened, which you expect as a product category matures, but sales are still very much growing. I’d be a little more sceptical of the media sources doing this well-reporting, if I were you.

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/electric-vehicle-demand-c...

The legend on that chart says "U.S. electric-vehicle sales, change from a year earlier"

That's a plot of the first derivative (which is still positive [+42% at the last measure, meaning for every 100 EVs sold in Nov 2022, there were 142 sold in Nov 2023]) and the slope of that line is a derivative of the first derivative, or a second derivative.

tl;dr: EV sales are growing. That rate of growth is slower than it was before.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EVs are not really popular in my EU city because they require a dedicated parking space with a charger and most people live in an apartment with none of that.

This isn’t inherently true. Take a look at the Silence S04. The batteries are removable and have wheels and a handle like luggage. You could park in any old spot and wheel the battery home to charge. They’re even cheap to buy because you can buy just the car and lease the batteries on a monthly basis. For small city cars with batteries that aren’t too heavy, this kind of design makes an EV workable for a lot of peopl…

I wouldn't say that bringing batteries home like a wheeled luggage is exactly a convenient option, although it's better than no charging possibility at all... But that can be a showstopper for many people who don't have access to charging spots: putting gas in a tank is way simpler (although clearly not ecological... but that's still secondary for many people, unfortunately).

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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This vote was a total joke. For example, the question on the ballots was totally different and like "do you approve bad things"? But if you want to laugh a little bit, look at the official results: https://x.com/lachape_one/status/1754271878737203536?s=20 The total of ballots "FOR" + "AGAINST" in one district equal to 108% ...

Fake news. This is the real one https://www.paris.fr/pages/plus-ou-moins-de-suv-les-parisien...
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