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LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5M Android devices

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Re: LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5M Android devices

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> They are all amazed how beautifully simple the phones are and with just one or two taps Wouldn't they prefer one or even no taps? > Have you ever watched an elderly person trying to navigate the complexity of a modern smart phone Assuming that's a question, then "yes!" It is not at any level designed for what they want to do. The "mother of all demos" talked about children but not seniors. Ever since Engelbart, no…

>The "mother of all demos" talked about children but not seniors Children will press things until they figure it out. Adults (moreso as we age) are scared to press things they don't understand.

> Adults (moreso as we age) are scared to press things they don't understand.

I have one outlier in my family. He's old, understands less and less about tech. like while ten years ago he was still able to understand how there are multiple Windows open on his laptop belonging to multiple apps, nowadays he starts confusing minimizing and closing apps, can't tell apart wether a program is running or it's just the pinned launch-icon, uses edge, Firefox and chrome interchangably and gets confused.... But at the same time, he still wants to figure everything out himself on both laptop and smartphone which resulted in hilarious mess-ups sometimes. I don't know if it isn't worse than a child. At a certain age a child might still get scared by some of the prompts, I've seen firsthand an 8yo going "oh no this costs money, abort" in panic. I'm not so sure my relative would do that when they think they know what they're doing...

Re: LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5M Android devices

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I don't understand why banking apps don't work with root/ROMs. In my country, if your phone is rooted or you have a custom ROM installed, banking apps just warn you about it, saying "Your phone is rooted, if you don't know what it means your safety could be compromised", allowing you to disable further warnings.

that is very proper IT wise from them

During the late 90s, Turkish banks had to invest quite heavily on their IT infrastructure after new regulations. All that investment paid off in my opinion, as we can enjoy very high quality mobile and online banking.

Having a young population is also a big incentive for banks and government to invest in relatively newer tech.

Re: LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5M Android devices

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I want to, but I cannot. Most of the banking or payment applications baulk at getting a whiff of Lineage. You are then forced to play a cat and mouse game which is quite stressful. It is sad that ROM customisation (and rooting) is stigmatised in the Android world.

Yeah it's a cat and mouse. I don't know about newer devices with HW attestation, but on older devices Magisk+Zygisk fixes many things but some apps still detect root. Then you add special widgets to block those, with the risk of breaking something. Funnily, all my bank apps, netflix/prime/disney streaming, everything works. Except recently my local supermarket loyalty app detected my root and refuses to work for "my security", have not dug into that yet, don't know if I have the motivation to... I just started using the physical card again at the store.

Re: LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5M Android devices

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Has anyone here looked at the security of Lineage? I know it's a rebrand/fork of Cyanogen, but I don't actually know much about it as a project. It seems to be the only image that works with Waydroid (the Android environment for Linux tablets), but I am not super comfortable entering my passwords into a project I don't know much about.

Lineage is more about convenience and longevity rather than security and privacy. As another commenter said, Graphene is most suitable for this task if it's a major concern. Take a random device like Google Pixel [1] it runs on a 4.4 kernel, long outdated and no longer maintained by Google. You can explore the code [2] however you are not going to be getting critical security updates (such as those issued by Qualcomm…

> Lineage is more about convenience and longevity rather than security and privacy. As another commenter said, Graphene is most suitable for this task if it's a major concern.

Are there devices which graphene supports which aren't fully patched on lineage? AFAIK graphene is just outright not supporting devices without current kernel updates, while lineage does best effort on the long tail, meaning that on the same device they'll have the same kernel.

Re: LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5M Android devices

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Been happily running lineageos for a couple of years now. No microg and no play store. F-droid for the apps. Interestingly, meta make WhatsApp available via a direct apk download, which helps a lot because before that I was using a play store downloader (the family is on WhatsApp). I use a per-app password to access gmail over IMAP in Kmail. Battery life is amazing, and I think I had one crash in 2 years. Thanks a lot to the lineageos team for all hard work!

Re: LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5M Android devices

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I wish there were more incentives for people to develop accessible software experiences. Navigating the digital world is really hard for the elderly but it doesn't have to be that way. I guess this problem will eventually go away as digital native generations are all that exist, but it does feel like we've left a lot of the populace behind (and then bemoan that they don't understand us).

Apple has claimed to be at the forefront of design for decades,but their UIs look just as garbage as many others at elderly font sizes. It would actually be nice if they shipped a small phone to get regular developers to care about constrained layouts, and then shipped a Pro Max Tab whatever that was the same proportions, but with everything scaled up.

> Apple has claimed to be at the forefront of design for decades,but their UIs look just as garbage as many others at elderly font sizes.

They also claim to be against waste and ecologically responsible, yet adopt the worst anti-consumer and anti-environment market practices they can get away with. Hell, they invented some.

Re: LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5M Android devices

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post #2

I install Lineage on the phones of the elderly at local care homes and any people who are interested in prolonging the life of their old phones. Poor people can't afford a new phone every two years. When in your 80's you dont need or want the constant nagging of apps pestering you when all you want to do is text and call your family and friends. I use abd to delete/disable every unnecessary useless app and leave them…

>ageist demeaning Doro

Not everything is an ism. Doro makes phones for people with poor eyesight. Most of those people are old. Glancing at their product catalogue, it doesn't seem much different from what you're doing with Lineage OS. Not everyone will have a geeky son to make a customised Lineage phone. Doro fills a niche. Be thankful someone does.

Re: LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5M Android devices

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I admire how much bloat free it is. Have it on my both phones. But to me it is what I have if I can't have what I want to have. And I want to have straight forward linux on my phone. No termux hacks and other imitations, etc. Period.

The Droidian team had a really nice demo at fosdem this year. Maybe worth a look?

Re: LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5M Android devices

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Lineage is as much standard android experience as you can get after market without any gaming/styling mods. If google was series about AOSP and sustainability they should embrace lineage and at least give a non-rooted lineage with a relocked bootloader on pixel phones a safety-net pass. Lineage has been very careful to not piss off google by not including microg or alternative webview signatures or means to circumven…

I never understood the banking app thing. I can use my banks website to manage my finances, using my built-from-source Gentoo Linux computer. Why must a phone then be totally locked down?
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