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Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by kergonath »

thriftwy wrote: post #244
The_Colonel wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain? European (NATO) countries will "provoke" Russia into invading by securing their internationally recognized borders? So far, we have seen the opposite pattern of Russia messing with countries which didn't make it into NATO in time.

There is no good way out of the situation where both sides are armed to the teeth. The best bet is a political failure of one of the sides. If that does not happen, these sabers will be rattling from time to time. If Russia's (and China's) immediate borders are packed with countries armed to their teeth, there would be wars. Buffer states happen for a reason. I believe USA kind of understands this (see how they react…

> There is no good way out of the situation where both sides are armed to the teeth. The best bet is a political failure of one of the sides.

Look, we tried normalising relations. In the end, Russia just takes what it can. It’s lunacy to believe that everything would be better if European countries just rolled over, accepted being bullied, and just gave Putin what he wants. It’s insane.

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Post by maximinus_thrax »

mempko wrote: post #96
H8crilA wrote: post #39

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Ah yes, just like in Russia we all know someone who was put in the trunk of a car by the FBI and driven around the forest just because they didn't want to pay up to the local director and his network of cronies. Or we all know of a prominent local case of a murderer or rapist that was released from prison (without any legal basis), then went on to fight a war for 6 months, then came back to our city with new military…

You honestly don't remember when people were being snatched off the street in unmarked vans during the BLM protests under Trump? It was caught on video several times. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-us...

Under Trump? The president we voted out? Let's have the same conversation when Putin is no longer president.

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Post by roenxi »

seryoiupfurds wrote: post #233
malfist wrote: post #91

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What exactly does seeking a "quick peace" solution look like in an aggressor without casus belli invading a sovereign nation?

Giving in to all their demands, of course. And then giving in to all their new demands five to ten years later when they try it again, and again, and again. "Anti-war" people always seem to have a curious blind spot when it comes to the countries that actually start wars.

> Giving in to all their demands, of course.

That can't be my position, I don't know what all Russia's demands were. But offering to draw NATO's sphere of influence back out of Ukraine seems like an obvious carrot that should have been offered. Maybe some guarantees to reign in any US interference in Ukraine's politics. Not supplying endless arms and materiel. That would have dramatically reduced all killing and destruction we've seen since 2023.

The comparisons I'm going to draw are Iraq and Afghanistan. Although Russia was probably going to be a lot more careful as occupiers given that this is happening on their border. Eg, not supporting the drug trade so much and hopefully being a bit more serious about rebuilding.

> "Anti-war" people always seem to have a curious blind spot when it comes to the countries that actually start wars.

Who are you talking about there? The US? UK? NATO? Iran? African Nations? That is a wide net.

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Post by kergonath »

thriftwy wrote: post #287
twixfel wrote: post #268

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There is no scenario where Eastern European countries, who had been living under Russian tyranny for several centuries, only recently to secure their independence and security as part of the EU or NATO, are going to unilaterally disarm just to please Russia. Other countries just managed to join NATO fast enough before Putin lost his mind. Ukraine's mistake was joining too slowly. Now Russia and Ukraine both suffer fo…

> who had been living under Russian tyranny for several centuries Most of these countries Russia never touched, or fought off of Turks and then let them be. They never lived under Russia's anything . Were it Czechs live under several centuries of Russian tyranny? Because these ones are particularly obnoxious now, despite many years of feeding off of Russian statesmen in Karlovy Vary. I don't think you even remotely u…

> Most of these countries Russia never touched, or fought off of Turks and then let them be.

Does the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact ring any bell? Do you know what the Baltic states went through? Did you hear about the Prague spring or that glorious sister republic in eastern Germany? Fuck, do you know about the Holodomor?

It’s a bit rich to say these countries never knew Russian oppression. It may not have lasted very long, but it was particularly brutal. The first thing they did is get away at the first occasion and all of them are traumatised to this day. Ukraine and Belarus tried to play nice. Belarus is now subservient and annexed in all but name, and Ukraine is being torn apart. So tell me why those Eastern European countries would not do anything they can to stay out of Russia’s reach?

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Post by roynasser »

whimsicalism wrote: post #288
petre wrote: post #283

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Syria attempted to invade Israel asking for a fight. It's tertitory is used by Hezbollah to launch attacks on Israel. It's quite a different situation from the war in Ukraine.

Israel both initiated the 1967 war and is still occupying the golan heights.

"initiated" is a stretch... If your neighbor is coming to kill you and you shoot first you are - again - defending yourself... thats one of the dumbest arguments i've ever heard!

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Post by tim333 »

reisse wrote: post #119
krunck wrote: post #114

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By "anti-war" do you mean in general or in regard to a particular war?

Ex-CEO of Russian Yandex made a post in an internal network explaining she moved to Israel, and, among other things, saying "I don't want to live in a country waging wars with its neighbours (sic)". I wonder if she understood her own hypocrisy.

That was in March 2022, before the recent stuff kicked off.

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Post by nradov »

roenxi wrote: post #74
throwaway_20357 wrote: post #47

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I think there is little hope of normalizing relations with Russia, so unfortunately these "Western assets" need to be written off anyway. A large part of them ($98bn) came from Cyprus which might just be round-tripping Russian money.

> I think there is little hope of normalizing relations with Russia After 9/11, the US maintained productive relations with the Saudis. They're actively supporting Israel through the Gaza business. They have a long history of propping up dictators and thrashing countries for hard-to-articulate reasons (I still don't get exactly what the point of Afghanistan or Iraq was, even accepting the blunt "oil" that is sometime…

We have nothing to gain by normalizing relations with Russia. They have nothing that we want and they can't be trusted to negotiate in good faith anyway. So it's back to containment: Cold War 2. As such we should take every opportunity short of direct conflict to disrupt, undermine, disrespect, and humiliate the Putin regime. In a few decades the Russian empire will undergo another internal collapse or civil war, and then more of their outer territories can be stripped away.

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Post by khokhol »

thriftwy wrote: post #287
twixfel wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no scenario where Eastern European countries, who had been living under Russian tyranny for several centuries, only recently to secure their independence and security as part of the EU or NATO, are going to unilaterally disarm just to please Russia. Other countries just managed to join NATO fast enough before Putin lost his mind. Ukraine's mistake was joining too slowly. Now Russia and Ukraine both suffer fo…

> who had been living under Russian tyranny for several centuries Most of these countries Russia never touched, or fought off of Turks and then let them be. They never lived under Russia's anything . Were it Czechs live under several centuries of Russian tyranny? Because these ones are particularly obnoxious now, despite many years of feeding off of Russian statesmen in Karlovy Vary. I don't think you even remotely u…

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