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Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by whimsicalism »

Const-me wrote: post #239
whimsicalism wrote: post #216

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> People of Ukraine did the revolution. The western backing you’re talking about was limited to vague verbal expressions of support. Obviously no revolution can happen without popular dissatisfaction and massive popular support for an alternative. But I think the Nuland-Pyatt call leak firmly puts to bed the notion that US involvement was 'limited to vague verbal expressions of support.'

Are you referring to that leaked call? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 If the leak is true, the people in the call are doing precisely what they publicly said they were doing — trying to negotiate a peaceful political resolution of the ongoing crisis. As shown by the events which followed, all their talks achieved absolutely nothing. The resolution of the crisis in Ukraine was neither peaceful nor poli…

They're literally picking out the next PM to replace yakunovich and it turned out exactly as they said.

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Post by somenameforme »

The_Colonel wrote: post #252
somenameforme wrote: post #248

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Have you noticed near to everything "we" say, as far as analysis of this war goes, ends up being simply not true? Russia's running out of missiles, the Russian economy is collapsing, this counter-attack's going to destroy Russia, this weapon or that weapon will be a 'game-changer.' So forth and so on. And now we're at "well it's just a stalemate." The latest 'big battle', so far as I know is ongoing in Avdiivka. [1]…

Nice cherrypicking and building strawmen. How about the Russia's obvious failures? Was Kyiv offensive a "feint" according to you? Avdiivka is a village of 1000 inhabitants, and it's the biggest Russian assault since Russia took the town of Bakhmut about a year ago. With this pace, Russia is going to take Kyiv in the year 3000.

No, the Kyiv offensive was obviously a poorly executed failure. And it happened right at the start of this war, which is exactly what I am saying. "That" Russian military lost to a relatively improvised small scale counter-offensive, while the "new" Russian military beat back a massive Ukrainian counter-attack directly backed (and probably directed) by NATO. These are practically two different forces. We're not weakening Russia, we're hardening it.

As for Avdiivka, read the Wiki on it for more info. It's an industrial city, one of the most heavily fortified locations in Ukraine, and of significant strategic value. Every inch in that place comes at a high price, and both sides desperately want to control it. So it's a pretty reasonable bellwether to keep your eyes on.

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Post by buran77 »

peterfirefly wrote: post #256
buran77 wrote: post #240

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Did you read on? You may have put as much effort into understanding what I wrote as you put in the reply. Do you genuinely think the answer is "no" just for that first example or that's just where you stopped reading because you knew better anyway? I'll spare you the additional effort. The answer is actually "no" for every single one on that list. None of those wars were/are just but that never stopped any of the agg…

I agreed with most of the rest.

I listed a number of atrocities where all the attackers invariably and wrongly thought they're on the just side. And yet you only had objections to the one? Your values align with all others?

Running out of charitable interpretations here mate. Or willingness to see how much lower this can go.

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Post by twixfel »

whimsicalism wrote: post #199
twixfel wrote: post #178

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Yes I am assuming that very much, but it does not matter that much, either you're America first or you agree with their foreign policy anyway on Ukraine. I understand that Ukraine support has been politicised even when it should not be. This says much more about the utterly dysfunctional state of American politics and the decline of American society whereby you're seriously entertaining reelecting Trump next year. It…

> it does not matter that much, either you're America first or you agree with their foreign policy anyway on Ukraine It does matter because you basically said "if you really cared about maintaining American unipolarity no matter the cost, you would be all in on Ukraine" - and I don't care about maintaining American unipolarity no matter the cost. A multipolar world is an inevitability. > you advocate surrender to the…

That was a hypothetical. I was just observing that the Ukraine war is amazing for US interests in a strictly Machiavellian, geopolitical sense. We Europeans are getting fucked over by the Russians, Ukrainians most of all and of course Russians are destroying themselves too for the sake of land (as if Russia hasn't got enough...). The USA is laughing here. I mention this because it's clear that it isn't a humanitarian issue for the US isolationists, they just don't want to spend the money (at least in theory, of course it's really all about domestic political tribalism and almost nothing to do with Ukraine for at least one side of the divide in the US), so I am speaking to them here on those terms.

>Somehow I suspect that I am not the jingoistic nationalist here.

Yes indeed how nationalistic of me to checks notes oppose wars of imperial conquest in Europe.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by The_Colonel »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #251
twixfel wrote: post #192

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Are you saying that Russia didn't invade Ukraine?

I'm saying they defended Russian people that would rather be living in Russian territory. Warmongers be damned!

In the 1991 independence vote, all Ukrainian regions voted for independence. In Donbas, the approval was 84%!

In the last census (2001), about 58% of Donetsk/Luhansk inhabitants indicated Ukrainian ethnicity, in comparison to 38% for Russian ethnicity.

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Post by twixfel »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #251
twixfel wrote: post #192

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Are you saying that Russia didn't invade Ukraine?

I'm saying they defended Russian people that would rather be living in Russian territory. Warmongers be damned!

Yeah no different to Hitler taking the Sudetenland really. Pity to see such flagrant ethnofascism here.

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Post by The_Colonel »

khzw8yyy wrote: post #257
The_Colonel wrote: post #241

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My grandparents carried some anti-German sentiments 70 years after the war ended. Maybe you are able to switch your opinions that quickly, most people can't.

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Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by twixfel »

thriftwy wrote: post #259
The_Colonel wrote: post #249

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> If Russia's (and China's) immediate borders are packed with countries armed to their teeth, there would be wars. I like this Putin's style of passive threats like "there would be wars". Just say the threat explicitly, Russia would invade their western neighbors. > Buffer states happen for a reason. Ukraine was a buffer state, yet it was invaded by Russia three times in the last 10 years. People have now justified d…

If these countries are "armed to the teeth", Russia will invade some of these countries. Both sides will point fingers at each other while some Eastern European homes burn. Eventually the prospect of horrible death while grasping the Western-provided arms will dissuade these countries from being armed to the teeth. I sincerely believe the preferred lifestyle of Eastern Europeans is sitting on a porch of their nice ti…

There is no scenario where Eastern European countries, who had been living under Russian tyranny for several centuries, only recently to secure their independence and security as part of the EU or NATO, are going to unilaterally disarm just to please Russia.

Other countries just managed to join NATO fast enough before Putin lost his mind. Ukraine's mistake was joining too slowly. Now Russia and Ukraine both suffer for basically no reason other than the fantasies of a senile 71 year old man.

>Please note that I'm not asking for a moral judgement because everybody else who may pass it has worse skeletons in their own closet than Russian Ukraine affair.

I don't know if that is true, the Ukraine War stands out as particularly evil. Russia is guilty of particularly evil crimes against humanity in this war that they chose to start.

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Post by The_Colonel »

thriftwy wrote: post #259
The_Colonel wrote: post #249

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> If Russia's (and China's) immediate borders are packed with countries armed to their teeth, there would be wars. I like this Putin's style of passive threats like "there would be wars". Just say the threat explicitly, Russia would invade their western neighbors. > Buffer states happen for a reason. Ukraine was a buffer state, yet it was invaded by Russia three times in the last 10 years. People have now justified d…

If these countries are "armed to the teeth", Russia will invade some of these countries. Both sides will point fingers at each other while some Eastern European homes burn. Eventually the prospect of horrible death while grasping the Western-provided arms will dissuade these countries from being armed to the teeth. I sincerely believe the preferred lifestyle of Eastern Europeans is sitting on a porch of their nice ti…

Good that we established who was, is, and will be the aggressor. I'm looking forward to the mental gymnastics about those who invade being actually the ones who defend themselves. As is the tradition in the Russian propaganda, invasion of Finland, Baltics, Poland etc. were all just defensive wars.

But I'm more optimistic about that and don't believe your empty threats. If the NATO strengthens its eastern border, Russia's military has simply no chance there. It's a suicide, it doesn't make sense to bang your head against the wall. Russia has many other weaker neighbors it can abuse instead.

> Ukraine was in the process of ditching its buffer state status by choosing a side.

Ukraine was invaded because it wanted to get closer to EU in the form of the association agreement.

Interestingly, the roughly analogous CIS was never a problem in this concept of "buffer state". Or does "buffer state" actually mean "Russia-aligned"?

And that's the crux of the issue. You can stay as a buffer state only as long as you're a Russian puppet.

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Post by nerdix »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #151
twixfel wrote: post #147

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We were all there, the US and UK were warning about the invasion for a long time before it happened. The Russians and their useful idiots in the West laughed, of course they would never invade! Then the invasion actually did happen and now magically history has been rewritten and it was the US that somehow caused it in the first place. Only problem: I do have a memory and I can remember 2 years ago. So yes very clear…

Are you saying Ukraine has not been lobbing bombs into Donbass for the better part of 10 years?

That's called a civil war because the Donbass is Ukrainian territory.

Ukraine was not attacking Russia.

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