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Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by The_Colonel »

khzw8yyy wrote: post #167
rurp wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So do countries, if we're looking at a long enough time scale. There is no end in sight for the war in Ukraine and when the end comes it's likely to be messy. It might be more of a pause than a true end, and one or both sides will likely be pretty unhappy with the outcome. It could be many years before Russia and the west go back to a comfortable economic relationship.

Maybe the problem is the shortness of sight rather than the lack of an end? Rest assured, if the powers that be decide that "Russia is good now" they will convince you of the same within 6 months.

My grandparents carried some anti-German sentiments 70 years after the war ended. Maybe you are able to switch your opinions that quickly, most people can't.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by secondary_op »

Yandex will survive, it is a company that was founded and to this day consists of good values and good people, much has been written about this by independent journalists [1] [2] and by the people at the company [3]

[1] Book https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Яндекс_Воложа

[2] Book https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Яндекс.Книга

[3] https://yandex.ru/company/values

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by The_Colonel »

somenameforme wrote: post #228
twixfel wrote: post #186

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So do you think all of Russia's annexations should be recognised by the international community?

No, I think the people of these regions should have been allowed to decide their own fate, which then should be internationally recognized. This is, of course, impossible now because the war means that the demographics have shifted substantially and irreversibly. But this would have at least been a viable path forward in 2014. The problem is that nobody wants this sort of democracy unless they like the answer they're…

All Ukrainian regions have voted for Ukrainian independence in the 1991 referendum. All the way until 2014 there wasn't actually any relevant pro-independence movement in Crimea or Donbas, until the Russian soldiers showed up, and dictated the course of events, of course.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by thriftwy »

The_Colonel wrote: post #235
thriftwy wrote: post #232

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Then you will have a permanent war in Europe, get used to it and make yourself comfortable.

Can you explain? European (NATO) countries will "provoke" Russia into invading by securing their internationally recognized borders? So far, we have seen the opposite pattern of Russia messing with countries which didn't make it into NATO in time.

There is no good way out of the situation where both sides are armed to the teeth. The best bet is a political failure of one of the sides.

If that does not happen, these sabers will be rattling from time to time. If Russia's (and China's) immediate borders are packed with countries armed to their teeth, there would be wars.

Buffer states happen for a reason.

I believe USA kind of understands this (see how they reacted to Cuba) and EU surely understands this too (see how Sweden reacts to any signs of Russian militarization), but they have trouble projecting it on other countries or still believing they can coerce these countries into "dealing with it".

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by cpursley »

whimsicalism wrote: post #236
cpursley wrote: post #209

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https://youtu.be/t-VUAeRMGQU?si=0wNOnWtIiTBYh2XR&t=287

Interesting - although I think this is clearly intended as somewhat of a propaganda video.

The journalist seems honest and tries to show negative sides as well - even calls it a war. I’ve had a few chats with him on Patreon. His economic and refugee ones in particular were interesting.

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Post by KikoHeit »

The_Colonel wrote: post #231
snird wrote: post #202

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The massacre was in Israel, when Hamas mass raped and murdered Israelis. What happens in Gaza is a justified war to prevent such attacks from occuring again.

Israeli invasion killed alread > 1% of total population of Gaza, further 2-3% have been iniured. According to you, did Israel get a blank check? Are they justified to do literally anything? Whst if the killed percentage will go to 5, 10 %. Still fine?

What is your suggestion? Terrorists get a rape and murder free-pass because they hide behind civilians?

War is shit. It's even shittier when you fight terrorists with no regards to human lives.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by kornhole »

How do we access the Russian based search engine, and will it still serve English language results?

The European business will fall under the Digital Services Act and EU directed content moderation. I sometimes want to see results of independent and foreign sources which Yandex was previously good for providing.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by somenameforme »

The_Colonel wrote: post #221
somenameforme wrote: post #203

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That rhetoric, outside of being sociopathic, is also almost certainly just not true. I'm sure you've also been watching this war play out. When Russia first invaded their army was disorganized, relatively ineffective, and on extremely unstable footing. And when NATO entered the picture there was genuine fear about Western weaponry. Now Russia's military is much more effective, the visage of dominance of Western weapo…

If the Russian army is in a much better shape than in 2022, why are they stuck?

Have you noticed near to everything "we" say, as far as analysis of this war goes, ends up being simply not true? Russia's running out of missiles, the Russian economy is collapsing, this counter-attack's going to destroy Russia, this weapon or that weapon will be a 'game-changer.' So forth and so on. And now we're at "well it's just a stalemate."

The latest 'big battle', so far as I know is ongoing in Avdiivka. [1] I have not read the Wiki page on it, but if you're interested in following the war, that'd probably be a reasonable starting spot.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Avdiivka_(2022%E2%80...

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by The_Colonel »

thriftwy wrote: post #244
The_Colonel wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain? European (NATO) countries will "provoke" Russia into invading by securing their internationally recognized borders? So far, we have seen the opposite pattern of Russia messing with countries which didn't make it into NATO in time.

There is no good way out of the situation where both sides are armed to the teeth. The best bet is a political failure of one of the sides. If that does not happen, these sabers will be rattling from time to time. If Russia's (and China's) immediate borders are packed with countries armed to their teeth, there would be wars. Buffer states happen for a reason. I believe USA kind of understands this (see how they react…

> If Russia's (and China's) immediate borders are packed with countries armed to their teeth, there would be wars.

I like this Putin's style of passive threats like "there would be wars". Just say the threat explicitly, Russia would invade their western neighbors.

> Buffer states happen for a reason.

Ukraine was a buffer state, yet it was invaded by Russia three times in the last 10 years. People have now justified doubts about this model.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by The_Colonel »

KikoHeit wrote: post #246
The_Colonel wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israeli invasion killed alread > 1% of total population of Gaza, further 2-3% have been iniured. According to you, did Israel get a blank check? Are they justified to do literally anything? Whst if the killed percentage will go to 5, 10 %. Still fine?

What is your suggestion? Terrorists get a rape and murder free-pass because they hide behind civilians? War is shit. It's even shittier when you fight terrorists with no regards to human lives.

My first suggestion would be to not sponsor those terrorists by the Israeli government currently in power. [1] That would be a good start.

I have some other ideas, like stopping the apartheid regime in West Bank and blockade of Gaza. Maybe even acknowledging that Palestinians want, and deserve, their own state.

[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

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