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Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by peterfirefly »

buran77 wrote: post #263
peterfirefly wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agreed with most of the rest.

I listed a number of atrocities where all the attackers invariably and wrongly thought they're on the just side. And yet you only had objections to the one? Your values align with all others? Running out of charitable interpretations here mate. Or willingness to see how much lower this can go.

I mostly agree with you.

(I didn't spell out how much I agree because being against Israel is a sure way to attract downvotes. But let me do it anyway: Israel has no right to exist and never did in modern times. The people Israel stole the land to not only have the right to the land because they were, you know, there and the Jewish invaders weren't -- they were also genetic heirs to ancient Israelis to a higher degree than the Jewish invaders were. I think it is disgraceful that Israel has so much influence over US politics and media (USS Liberty cover up!). I think it is disgraceful that Germany backs Israel to the extent it does -- in order to not be, or be perceived as, evil.

Where I don't agree so much is about the US and Asia. The US had every right to fight in Korea and it was a damn good thing it did. It also had a right to fight against the Viet Cong -- and it was a disaster for the Vietnamese when the Viet Cong conquered Southern Vietnam and caused a mass famine with their collective farming.)

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by Adverblessly »

The_Colonel wrote: post #231
snird wrote: post #202

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The massacre was in Israel, when Hamas mass raped and murdered Israelis. What happens in Gaza is a justified war to prevent such attacks from occuring again.

Israeli invasion killed alread > 1% of total population of Gaza, further 2-3% have been iniured. According to you, did Israel get a blank check? Are they justified to do literally anything? Whst if the killed percentage will go to 5, 10 %. Still fine?

Out of curiosity I looked for a relevant reference, apparently in WWII, civilian casualties to allied air raids were 0.6% of the total population and twice that for wounded, so around half the numbers you cite for Gaza (though IIUC you are including both civilian and militant deaths in your counts so not perfectly comparable). Given that Hamas seeks to maximize their civilian deaths I'm not sure how to take that comparison.

Looking at WWI is a bit more confusing, similar numbers of dead Germans due to malnutrition and disease (excluding the pandemic), but overall 1.1% civilian deaths due to military action for the Central Powers.

While personally I feel that the ideal number of civilian deaths is obviously 0 (on both sides), I do feel like counting the dead is not a particularly convincing metric when considering who (if any) is doing right since the relevant information is in the rightness of concrete actions taken rather than the results. Bombing a hospital is bad even if there are almost no civilian casualties. Bombing a military HQ is right even if it unintentionally involved civilian casualties (assuming you did act to minimize them). Bombing a military HQ that is directly under a hospital - ask me later please, but I don't think I'd judge solely on who is dead at the end.

I'm obviously a bit biased here, but just reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violen... I can't see how Israel can stop the war as long as Hamas has any form of influence in the area. For now, except for Netanyahu which should be rotting in a jail cell, I'm reserving my judgement until we can see the final results.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by petre »

reisse wrote: post #227
whimsicalism wrote: post #153

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Russia unambiguously occupies territory in Ukraine, starting the Ukrainian conflict. Israel is unambiguously occupying PA territory.

While the matter of PA might be controversial, Israel is unambigously occupying Syrian territory - that is, the Golan Heights.

Syria attempted to invade Israel asking for a fight. It's tertitory is used by Hezbollah to launch attacks on Israel. It's quite a different situation from the war in Ukraine.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by petre »

whimsicalism wrote: post #200
alephnerd wrote: post #190

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IT Professionals and most other white collar jobs are draft exempted in Russia [0] To make up for the unfairness, mobilized Russian soldiers are being paid Russian/Eastern European white collar level salaries ($2,500/mo) [1] The issue is if you're a Russian contractor working for a western company, how is the western company supposed to pay you? Russia's banking system has been decoupled from the west, and even Asian…

> To make up for the unfairness, mobilized Russian soldiers are being paid Russian/Eastern European white collar level salaries ($2,500/mo) [1] $2500/mo is way higher than I would have thought they were paying these soldiers.

They're only paying the surviving ones. Also they're conveniently delaying payments and benefits to the families of the deceased.

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Post by petre »

thriftwy wrote: post #232
The_Colonel wrote: post #225

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Learning to live is arming the eastern NATO border to the teeth. Russia has never stopped trying to expand westward, is still very far from giving up on its imperialism and strength is the only language it understands.

Then you will have a permanent war in Europe, get used to it and make yourself comfortable.

We'll have another cold war, carefully watching each other like Koreans on both sides of the DMZ do. Russia likes frozen conflicts so that what they'll get, until it collapses again like the USSR did and like all empires do. The trouble with that is a bunch of unstable dictators with nukes instead of one czar with nukes.

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Post by HideousKojima »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #280
HideousKojima wrote: post #258

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Bin Laden hadn't lived in Saudi Arabia since 1991? If you're referring to the fact that the relatively newly declassified parts of the 9/11 commission report suggest that several powerful members of the Saudi government and royal family were involved in the attacks, then I agree with you that we should have (and still should) insist that the Saudis extradite those involved and take strong military action against the…

It is the kind of inconsistency that makes some people die and some live. One would hope it is avoided to avoid confusion and miscalculations on all sides. Was Pakistan bombed in 2011 then? I understand what you are saying, but it does not make it look any better. I was not. I am merely connecting some obvious dots. Hmm. Even the word extradite is obfuscating what happened, but that is beside the point. Lets adjust t…

>Do you think it ( attacking Afghanistan ) over 9/11 ( whether the cause was just or not ) was a good idea for long-term US survival? This is not a bait. I am really curious about your thought process.

Attacking? Yes. Long-term occupation? No. I think we should have targeted strikes directly at Taliban officials until they relented to our demands.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by thriftwy »

twixfel wrote: post #268
thriftwy wrote: post #259

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If these countries are "armed to the teeth", Russia will invade some of these countries. Both sides will point fingers at each other while some Eastern European homes burn. Eventually the prospect of horrible death while grasping the Western-provided arms will dissuade these countries from being armed to the teeth. I sincerely believe the preferred lifestyle of Eastern Europeans is sitting on a porch of their nice ti…

There is no scenario where Eastern European countries, who had been living under Russian tyranny for several centuries, only recently to secure their independence and security as part of the EU or NATO, are going to unilaterally disarm just to please Russia. Other countries just managed to join NATO fast enough before Putin lost his mind. Ukraine's mistake was joining too slowly. Now Russia and Ukraine both suffer fo…

> who had been living under Russian tyranny for several centuries

Most of these countries Russia never touched, or fought off of Turks and then let them be. They never lived under Russia's anything. Were it Czechs live under several centuries of Russian tyranny? Because these ones are particularly obnoxious now, despite many years of feeding off of Russian statesmen in Karlovy Vary.

I don't think you even remotely understand what you are talking about, and people are going to die in great numbers before they start reading history books instead of NYT columns on the subject.

> stands out as particularly evil

I guess they just don't hand out history textbooks in the child care...

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by whimsicalism »

petre wrote: post #283
reisse wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the matter of PA might be controversial, Israel is unambigously occupying Syrian territory - that is, the Golan Heights.

Syria attempted to invade Israel asking for a fight. It's tertitory is used by Hezbollah to launch attacks on Israel. It's quite a different situation from the war in Ukraine.

Israel both initiated the 1967 war and is still occupying the golan heights.

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Post by ecommerceguy »

The_Colonel wrote: post #265
ecommerceguy wrote: post #251

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I'm saying they defended Russian people that would rather be living in Russian territory. Warmongers be damned!

In the 1991 independence vote, all Ukrainian regions voted for independence. In Donbas, the approval was 84%! In the last census (2001), about 58% of Donetsk/Luhansk inhabitants indicated Ukrainian ethnicity, in comparison to 38% for Russian ethnicity.

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Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by thriftwy »

The_Colonel wrote: post #265
ecommerceguy wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm saying they defended Russian people that would rather be living in Russian territory. Warmongers be damned!

In the 1991 independence vote, all Ukrainian regions voted for independence. In Donbas, the approval was 84%! In the last census (2001), about 58% of Donetsk/Luhansk inhabitants indicated Ukrainian ethnicity, in comparison to 38% for Russian ethnicity.

What if Donbass took a tour of independent Ukraine and changed their mind, especially as Kiev crowds have ousted the president that they all voted for?

Granted, he wasn't any good, but he was likely the best one Ukraine will ever have, and now has no chance of it ever catching up with 2013.

I'm genuinely not sure why you think people can't change their mind. After all, they also voted "Yes" on Gorbachev's "reform and keep the USSR" referendum a year before that.

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