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Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by Const-me »

whimsicalism wrote: post #261
Const-me wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you referring to that leaked call? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 If the leak is true, the people in the call are doing precisely what they publicly said they were doing — trying to negotiate a peaceful political resolution of the ongoing crisis. As shown by the events which followed, all their talks achieved absolutely nothing. The resolution of the crisis in Ukraine was neither peaceful nor poli…

They're literally picking out the next PM to replace yakunovich and it turned out exactly as they said.

The logical error you just made is called “post hoc fallacy” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

The reason Yatsenyuk became a prime minister, on February 27, 2014 the parliament of Ukraine made him so, with 371 out of 450 deputies supporting the decision. Just because some western politicians also viewed the guy as a good fit for the role doesn’t prove they affected the events in any way.

BTW, President of Ukraine has way more executive power than the PM. As the immediate result of the revolution, Turchynov became the acting president. He received way more political power than Yatsenyuk, yet the unknown people speaking on the leaked call never mentioned his name.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by The_Colonel »

somenameforme wrote: post #262
The_Colonel wrote: post #252

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Nice cherrypicking and building strawmen. How about the Russia's obvious failures? Was Kyiv offensive a "feint" according to you? Avdiivka is a village of 1000 inhabitants, and it's the biggest Russian assault since Russia took the town of Bakhmut about a year ago. With this pace, Russia is going to take Kyiv in the year 3000.

No, the Kyiv offensive was obviously a poorly executed failure. And it happened right at the start of this war, which is exactly what I am saying. "That" Russian military lost to a relatively improvised small scale counter-offensive, while the "new" Russian military beat back a massive Ukrainian counter-attack directly backed (and probably directed) by NATO. These are practically two different forces. We're not weake…

You don't have to worry about my knowledge of Avdiivka. It's a village which has a value only for Russia, because it's very close to Donetsk city and is a major thorn in the Russian propaganda - can you explain to me how is Russia so strong and at the same time after 2 years of war still can't push Ukrainians more than 10 kilometers from the downtown of Donetsk city, the capital of DPR?

For Ukraine, the only value Avdiivka represents is that it allows them to bleed Russians for it, because it just matters so much for them. Otherwise, Avdiivka is even less important than Bakhmut (that one was at least a logistics node) and the loss of it did not lead to any frontline collapse - on the opposite, Ukrainians were able to recover Bakhmut flanks since then.

> We're not weakening Russia, we're hardening it.

What military analysts are you following? Because from what I hear from my sources (e.g. Kofman, Massicot) Russia's forces are very much degraded with many of the best units lost.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by twixfel »

whimsicalism wrote: post #196
twixfel wrote: post #161

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It's not ridiculous at all. Not all leaders can be negotiated with, that is simply my point. Maybe as an American you do not understand the depth of feeling, it does not affect you because you don't live here and subsequently you don't care. You can regress into the isolationism that the US likes to embrace every now and then. But we still have to live with an imperialist Russia on our door step. > (Germany) is a maj…

> Not all leaders can be negotiated with, that is simply my point. Putin isn't Hitler. People are way too quick to write off negotiation when it is people's real lives at play. > They've sent huge amounts of aid already to Ukraine (~1% of GDP versus 0.2% of GDP for the USA). False? not sure where you are getting your numbers from but USA has sent both considerably more in magnitude and as a percentage of the GDP thro…

>Putin isn't Hitler. People are way too quick to write off negotiation when it is people's real lives at play.

No he's not Hitler, he's Putin. Putin cannot be negotiated with, that is the point.

>False? not sure where you are getting your numbers from but USA has sent both considerably more in magnitude and as a percentage of the GDP through the end of 2023.

No it is not. My numbers are from the Financial Times: https://www.ft.com/content/ca7fa865-97a1-4013-bde6-b69731b03...

Where are yours from? If you have better numbers, share them.

>Wavering support for the Ukraine war is not just a Trump-ism phenomenon. I am not sure how the media reports this in the UK but support is collapsing across both parties in the polls.

Wavering or collapsing? The majority still support aid for Ukraine. That much is a fact. I am not in the UK anyway, I live in Germany.

Your source for polling is sadly incoherent, just quoting random countries, but judging by this poll, it looks clear that Europeans support Ukraine:

https://neighbourhood-enlargement.ec.europa.eu/news/european...

But to some extent it does not matter, there is no choice, because Europe is being attacked. It's not as if we have choice but to support them. Arguably more importantly, our establishment supports Ukraine.

>US policymakers already perceive no will to stand up to China among EU lawmakers.

US policymakers firmly believe that the best way to counterbalance China is through strengthening alliances around the world.

>EU+UK citizens will not be willing to pay the full brunt of this conflict for an extended period of time.

We already are. I think a lot of you yanks like to get high on the idea of Europe being seconds from collapse, but actually things here are OK. The worst is over, that first winter after the invasion? Yeah that was tricky, but it's already past now. The way you talk it's like we're rationing supplies to make ends meet to raise money for another missile. Yes the USA is richer than Europe, but Europe is the richest place in the world after the USA, so it's OK, there's no shame in being second place. Everything's OK. Europe will ultimately do whatever it takes to see out Russia's invasion. There's no way a country with an economy the size of Spain can outlast the entirety of Europe. Russia is a paper tiger, as evidenced by how shit its military has performed ever since it invaded.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by dang »

thrdbndndn wrote: post #30

Dang: please edit the link to the actual press, https://ir.yandex/press-releases?year=2024&id=05-02-2024 , not the index page for the year 2024.

That was the submitted URL but our software replaced that with the canonical URL listed by the page (https://ir.yandex/press-releases?year=2024). Reversed now. Thanks!

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by dang »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #183
Aissen wrote: post #113

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This does nothing, if you want dang to help, use the email address in the bottom Contact footer.

I'm not 100% sure if behind the scenes he has some sort of @dang webhook alert/filter or if he skims comments regularly

I skim comments regularly but it's still pretty random what I see. The only way to reliably get a message to us is hn@ycombinator.com. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by dang »

laplab wrote: post #48
thrdbndndn wrote: post #30

Dang: please edit the link to the actual press, https://ir.yandex/press-releases?year=2024&id=05-02-2024 , not the index page for the year 2024.

Thanks for pointing that out, my mistake. Unfortunately, I can only edit the title, not the link

Not your mistake! see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39267031.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by KikoHeit »

The_Colonel wrote: post #250
KikoHeit wrote: post #246

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What is your suggestion? Terrorists get a rape and murder free-pass because they hide behind civilians? War is shit. It's even shittier when you fight terrorists with no regards to human lives.

My first suggestion would be to not sponsor those terrorists by the Israeli government currently in power. [1] That would be a good start. I have some other ideas, like stopping the apartheid regime in West Bank and blockade of Gaza. Maybe even acknowledging that Palestinians want, and deserve, their own state. [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

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Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by monetus »

The_Colonel wrote: post #272
somenameforme wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the Kyiv offensive was obviously a poorly executed failure. And it happened right at the start of this war, which is exactly what I am saying. "That" Russian military lost to a relatively improvised small scale counter-offensive, while the "new" Russian military beat back a massive Ukrainian counter-attack directly backed (and probably directed) by NATO. These are practically two different forces. We're not weake…

You don't have to worry about my knowledge of Avdiivka. It's a village which has a value only for Russia, because it's very close to Donetsk city and is a major thorn in the Russian propaganda - can you explain to me how is Russia so strong and at the same time after 2 years of war still can't push Ukrainians more than 10 kilometers from the downtown of Donetsk city, the capital of DPR? For Ukraine, the only value Av…

> * it allows them to bleed Russians for it,*

The scale of it is astounding. In the past few weeks, it has been a wave every hour or two, sometimes faster, with 5 to 20 vehicles a wave; minesweepers and a 2:1 bmp to tank ratio. Lots of troops and they barely get anywhere. It is horrid. The only real breakthrough that the Russians have made was through a long waste pipe into town. They rushed a ~150 people through after smaller groups, but those mostly ended up cut off from any resupply with the AFU having retaken their 3rd, main line of defense in that area. Destroyed a massive Russian column in that too.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by charcircuit »

kristiandupont wrote: post #176
angra_mainyu wrote: post #50

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Yep, and surprisingly good too (I use it daily).

What are those searches? I am curious because I've used reverse image search 3-4 times in my life. It's just not something I think of..

The most normal use case is finding the original, higher resolution version of an image.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

HideousKojima wrote: post #258
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #207

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Odd. I do not remember US meting out the same type of punishment to Saudi Arabia.

Bin Laden hadn't lived in Saudi Arabia since 1991? If you're referring to the fact that the relatively newly declassified parts of the 9/11 commission report suggest that several powerful members of the Saudi government and royal family were involved in the attacks, then I agree with you that we should have (and still should) insist that the Saudis extradite those involved and take strong military action against the…

It is the kind of inconsistency that makes some people die and some live. One would hope it is avoided to avoid confusion and miscalculations on all sides.

Was Pakistan bombed in 2011 then?

I understand what you are saying, but it does not make it look any better.

I was not. I am merely connecting some obvious dots.

Hmm. Even the word extradite is obfuscating what happened, but that is beside the point.

Lets adjust this conversation a little as 'justified' is a little loaded. Everyone thinks they are justified in doing whatever they are doing. edit: In fact, there are a few wars happening right now, where people feel very justified.

Lets have a more fun conversation.

Do you think it ( attacking Afghanistan ) over 9/11 ( whether the cause was just or not ) was a good idea for long-term US survival? This is not a bait. I am really curious about your thought process.

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