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Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by sharken »

resolutebat wrote: post #113
sharken wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd hardly call a 2 tonnes EV a tiny car, which is the limit in the proposal. The Tesla model 3 is right on that limit with 1.980 Kg, whereas the model Y weighs 2.4 tonnes. In Denmark the model Y is by far the most sold car in 2023, with 1 out of every 10 cars being a model Y. So I think it will be an uphill battle to enact the same law in Denmark.

Where are you getting those numbers from? Tesla's specs pages say 1777/1840kg and 1911/1981kg for the standard/long-range Model 3 and Model Y respectively: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_cn/GUID-5656213... https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_cn/GUID-E47C4A6... The Model 3 is undoubtedly still a heavy car, but the bulk of that is the battery pack, so the weight will go down as battery tech impro…

You are absolutely correct, it was the Model S that I mistook for the Model Y from the source https://insideevs.com/news/527966/electric-cars-from-heavies...

I wonder what made the Parisians choose 2 tonnes, lowering the limit could certainly be justified.

The Model 3 and Y weigh twice that of my current drive, which is quite the difference.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by pornel »

netsharc wrote: post #124
pornel wrote: post #50

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Daily at-home charging is needed only for plug-in hybrids. BEVs can easily do a week of city driving without needing to charge. In my city supermarkets have charging on their parking lots, so my car charges when I'm shopping.

I wonder if the next invention will be a "powerbank" for cars... rather than those dumb e-scooters littering the sidewalks, how about a giant battery on 4 wheels you can leave next to your car to charge it? When it's close to depletion, just like the e-scooters, a van can come around and take them to a hub to be charged. Or I suppose a car driver can put them in the trunk and return to that hub, in case they're drivi…

Charging is so close to being solved, that I don't think we need any new boondoggle. Just build more infrastructure and modern batteries.

For road trips, Nio has 10-minute battery swapping stations, but modern 800V BEVs can be recharged in 20 minutes.

City use is an even easier case, because most cars will spend hours parked somewhere. If not at home, then in a parking garage at work. There are street-side chargers too. In many cases you don't even need a fast charger.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by touwer »

greatgib wrote: post #146
touwer wrote: post #130

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Fake news. This is the real one https://www.paris.fr/pages/plus-ou-moins-de-suv-les-parisien...

Not fake news, they just updated the web page after social storm...

Sure, keep on dreaming

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by eastbound »

kergonath wrote: post #135
nox101 wrote: post #63

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Some people claim it was regulation that caused SUVs https://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/finding-the-right-car/... Hopefully new regulation will fix it rather than make it worse

Certainly not in Europe, where things like pickup trucks and light trucks were exceedingly rare and there was no such regulation loophole.

In 1990, if you had 3 kids, it could easily fit in a Renault 19.

In 2020… if you have an SUV with kid sits… it barely fits TWO kids. It is totally produced by legislation, although it’s for safety, you have to be extremely rich to carry 3 kids in a car today.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by eastbound »

kergonath wrote: post #141
ZaoLahma wrote: post #109

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It would be nice if the rules for 2 wheeled vehicles could be refined as well. Here (not France) you can drive an EU moped (45km/h) on a car license, which could (and should!) be a great alternative to a smaller car. The problem is that it's difficult to get to and through the city without touching the highways, which are strictly off limits for the mopeds for obvious reasons. What's needed is something in between a…

> Here (not France) you can drive an EU moped (45km/h) on a car license, which could (and should!) be a great alternative to a smaller car. The problem is that it's difficult to get to and through the city without touching the highways, which are strictly off limits for the mopeds for obvious reasons. In France you can ride a scooter or motorcycle with a displacement < 125 cc with a car license. Certainly not ideal f…

Also, surprisingly perhaps, motorcycles pollute more than cars. They don’t have the heavy filters. Some pollutants are higher, even in absolute values.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by dieze »

martin_a wrote: post #41
schleck8 wrote: post #2

This applies to people coming in from outside the city with SUVs. It's probably still not fully financing the parking spots. Parking spots in cities are incredibly expensive and heavily subsidized.

This is the most important part, I think. Everybody is hyping Paris like the end of the car is near, but in fact it's just an action to get some money from visitors and other external people. Don't see how this might change transport in large.

Visitors here also means Parisians outside their neighborhood.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by Gigachad »

vr46 wrote: post #104
Zak wrote: post #93

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The current system makes it possible for a very small portion of the population to change things for everyone. I'm not sure that's better.

Bring in Australian-style compulsory voting then.

In Australia there would be no public vote for this. It would just be some internal council decision.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by kergonath »

nox101 wrote: post #178
kergonath wrote: post #135

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Certainly not in Europe, where things like pickup trucks and light trucks were exceedingly rare and there was no such regulation loophole.

I think some might say it started in the USA and was then brought to Europe after. Many things are introduced in one country and once successful the companies try to expand their market to other countries

They are less rare now than they used to be, sure, but they are still very uncommon. As in, I might see one every week living in a ~10 million people reasonably wealthy metropolitan area. No regulation was tweaked to favour light trucks and Ford is perfectly happy to sell sedans and hatchbacks instead of F-150s. They don’t need to sell the same thing as in the US to develop their market share here.

SUVs seem to increase in popularity following the American fashion, unfortunately.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by rsynnott »

cpursley wrote: post #110
rsynnott wrote: post #46

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… Wait, how are you defining ‘downward trend’? The rate of _growth_ has slackened, which you expect as a product category matures, but sales are still very much growing. I’d be a little more sceptical of the media sources doing this well-reporting, if I were you.

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/electric-vehicle-demand-c...

As I said, the rate of growth is decreasing, but sales are still growing. That article is kinda misleadingly couched, tho (I mean, Murdoch media, what can you expect?), and I can see how people could misread it as saying that sales were actually decreasing.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by kergonath »

eastbound wrote: post #184
kergonath wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly not in Europe, where things like pickup trucks and light trucks were exceedingly rare and there was no such regulation loophole.

In 1990, if you had 3 kids, it could easily fit in a Renault 19. In 2020… if you have an SUV with kid sits… it barely fits TWO kids. It is totally produced by legislation, although it’s for safety, you have to be extremely rich to carry 3 kids in a car today.

Such a SUV has barely more room than a 308, though, which is lighter, smaller, and more efficient. I agree that there are not that many good family cars and even more reasonably-sized cars are somehow getting too large on the outside and too cramped on the inside at the same time. It makes them very impractical in a lot of situations.
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