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Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by The_Colonel »

snird wrote: post #202
ivan_gammel wrote: post #65

I feel sorry for Volozh, he managed to keep his business for longer than many others. It is interesting that a part of the deal is paid in yuan, probably to avoid Western sanctions. This is the new reality in which Russian businesses do exist now and may be a sign of the fragmentation of the global financial system. Also interesting is that while Volozh now resides in Israel, Yandex was very active in UAE recently wi…

The massacre was in Israel, when Hamas mass raped and murdered Israelis. What happens in Gaza is a justified war to prevent such attacks from occuring again.

Israeli invasion killed alread > 1% of total population of Gaza, further 2-3% have been iniured.

According to you, did Israel get a blank check? Are they justified to do literally anything? Whst if the killed percentage will go to 5, 10 %. Still fine?

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by thriftwy »

The_Colonel wrote: post #225
thriftwy wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder when you will arrive at the understanding that if Russia is not going to have more revolutions, then you are going to have to live alongside Russia on the tiniest of continents and it would be best for both sides to learn how. Is's not like you're going in with a military action and capturing Volgograd, after all. Adolf Hitler could be neutralized by capturing Berlin. Good luck dealing with Russia that way.

Learning to live is arming the eastern NATO border to the teeth. Russia has never stopped trying to expand westward, is still very far from giving up on its imperialism and strength is the only language it understands.

Then you will have a permanent war in Europe, get used to it and make yourself comfortable.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by seryoiupfurds »

malfist wrote: post #91
roenxi wrote: post #74

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> I think there is little hope of normalizing relations with Russia After 9/11, the US maintained productive relations with the Saudis. They're actively supporting Israel through the Gaza business. They have a long history of propping up dictators and thrashing countries for hard-to-articulate reasons (I still don't get exactly what the point of Afghanistan or Iraq was, even accepting the blunt "oil" that is sometime…

What exactly does seeking a "quick peace" solution look like in an aggressor without casus belli invading a sovereign nation?

Giving in to all their demands, of course. And then giving in to all their new demands five to ten years later when they try it again, and again, and again.

"Anti-war" people always seem to have a curious blind spot when it comes to the countries that actually start wars.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by alephnerd »

cedws wrote: post #217
alephnerd wrote: post #201

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> I hope India takes notice because so far they seemed to have cared little about the blood on their hands. If there's a buyer, there's a seller [0]. EU member states need oil, so they buy it via India. There's no alternative to Russian crude for the European market. Anyhow, the last time Indian listened to Western oil sanctions over Iran in the 2008-10 period [1], the Indian economy ground to a halt and had a lost d…

From Reuters article: >Europe typically imported an average of 154,000 barrels per day (bpd) of diesel and jet fuel from India before Russia's invasion of Ukraine. >That increased to 200,000 bpd after the European Union banned Russian oil products imports from Feb. 5, Kpler data showed. An increase of 50,000 bpd across the whole of Europe is nothing in the grand scheme of things. India imported on average 1.76m bpd l…

> That sounds like a them problem? Maybe they should invest more in renewables?

They are [0][1][2].

Hard to build renewables when majority of energy costs in 2010-2020 were spent using Dollars buying Oil and NatGas from the Gulf instead of using Rupees with Iran.

> The world will remember those who profiteer from war

But they don't.

The failure of sanctions on Iran showed that you can ignore Western sanctions and the Western relationship will continue just like before.

India's largest FDI sources are in Asia - Singapore and Japan [3] dwarf the US and EU, and both are Western countries as well.

The reality is countries compartmentalize relations and issues - India only cares about the China threat. The US mostly only really cares about the China threat with a bit of passive support against Russia (which btw has been fairly successful - Ukraine has been able to maintain a stalemate against a much larger adversary). European countries only really care about the Russia threat and are indifferent to China. Japan and SK don't care about Russia but care about NK and China.

To keep alliances, you need to compromise. The lack of compromising by American administrations in the 2010s caused us to lose Turkiye, Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia as close allies.

The US can't afford to alienate Russia, China, AND India and ASEAN (most of whom lean pro-China now after getting ticked off for being called out for being anti-democratic).

And this is why Western countries are indifferent to the purchasing of Russian oil.

[0] - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/world/asia/india-coal-gre...

[1] - https://www.newyorker.com/news/dept-of-energy/indias-quest-t...

[2] - https://www.straitstimes.com/multimedia/graphics/2023/08/ind...

[3] - https://santandertrade.com/en/portal/establish-overseas/indi...

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by The_Colonel »

thriftwy wrote: post #232
The_Colonel wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Learning to live is arming the eastern NATO border to the teeth. Russia has never stopped trying to expand westward, is still very far from giving up on its imperialism and strength is the only language it understands.

Then you will have a permanent war in Europe, get used to it and make yourself comfortable.

Can you explain? European (NATO) countries will "provoke" Russia into invading by securing their internationally recognized borders?

So far, we have seen the opposite pattern of Russia messing with countries which didn't make it into NATO in time.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by whimsicalism »

cpursley wrote: post #209
whimsicalism wrote: post #200

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> To make up for the unfairness, mobilized Russian soldiers are being paid Russian/Eastern European white collar level salaries ($2,500/mo) [1] $2500/mo is way higher than I would have thought they were paying these soldiers.

https://youtu.be/t-VUAeRMGQU?si=0wNOnWtIiTBYh2XR&t=287

Interesting - although I think this is clearly intended as somewhat of a propaganda video.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by The_Colonel »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #214
The_Colonel wrote: post #212

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Those same people on 1420 will tell you that Poland and UK need to be denazified. It's just propaganda working, you can't mistake it for real strategic goals.

Absolutely, it's not scientific at all, but it shows the strong presence of a chauvinistic compliant population. FWIW I think you could find similar nonsense on the streets of many (but not all) American cities. It's the kind of hubris that comes from being a huge country that is its own centre of gravity and a political leadership that runs around saying it's the "best country in the world" and stuff like that. That…

Putin says a lot of things. No, he's not laying out his grand strategy in front of you, he's saying what is politically useful at the moment.

You can't really know the Russia's strategic thinking from public proclamations. You need to read between the lines, and even then it's mostly guesswork.

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Post by seryoiupfurds »

somenameforme wrote: post #228
twixfel wrote: post #186

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So do you think all of Russia's annexations should be recognised by the international community?

No, I think the people of these regions should have been allowed to decide their own fate, which then should be internationally recognized. This is, of course, impossible now because the war means that the demographics have shifted substantially and irreversibly. But this would have at least been a viable path forward in 2014. The problem is that nobody wants this sort of democracy unless they like the answer they're…

How about if trucks full of soldiers without uniform crossed the border from Mexico to go on a sunny vacation, and decided on the spur of the moment to help their new friends out by imposing martial law and holding sham elections and shooting down airliners?

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by Const-me »

whimsicalism wrote: post #216
Const-me wrote: post #195

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You’re telling the false version of these events spread by the Russian state propaganda. > US backed a [coup, revolution, insurrection - whatever you want to call it] in Ukraine People of Ukraine did the revolution. The western backing you’re talking about was limited to vague verbal expressions of support. > territories that also leaned pro-Russia refused to recognize the new government and declared their independen…

> People of Ukraine did the revolution. The western backing you’re talking about was limited to vague verbal expressions of support. Obviously no revolution can happen without popular dissatisfaction and massive popular support for an alternative. But I think the Nuland-Pyatt call leak firmly puts to bed the notion that US involvement was 'limited to vague verbal expressions of support.'

Are you referring to that leaked call? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 If the leak is true, the people in the call are doing precisely what they publicly said they were doing — trying to negotiate a peaceful political resolution of the ongoing crisis.

As shown by the events which followed, all their talks achieved absolutely nothing.

The resolution of the crisis in Ukraine was neither peaceful nor political. Instead, couple weeks after the alleged call the crisis was resolved after the bloodshed on February 18-20.

Then Russia has launched military invasion, escalating the internal political crisis into an international war. Sadly, the war is still ongoing, despite almost 10 years have passed since these events.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by buran77 »

peterfirefly wrote: post #208
buran77 wrote: post #159

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Everyone who ever waged war since the dawn of time though they are justified or entitled to do it. Russia invaded Ukraine to defend endangered Russian minorities. Israel pounds tens of thousands of civilians that they were already treating inhumanely into dust to defend against terrorists. US blew up villages in Asia or weddings in the Middle East to defend democracy. Germany plunged Europe into war to defend the dre…

> Russia invaded Ukraine to defend endangered Russian minorities. No.

Did you read on? You may have put as much effort into understanding what I wrote as you put in the reply. Do you genuinely think the answer is "no" just for that first example or that's just where you stopped reading because you knew better anyway?

I'll spare you the additional effort. The answer is actually "no" for every single one on that list. None of those wars were/are just but that never stopped any of the aggressors from painting themselves as defenders of some fair and just ideal.

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