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Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by phatfish » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:14 PM UTC

khzw8yyy wrote: post #104

throwaway_20357 wrote: post #47

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I think there is little hope of normalizing relations with Russia, so unfortunately these "Western assets" need to be written off anyway. A large part of them ($98bn) came from Cyprus which might just be round-tripping Russian money.

All wars have something in common: they end. That thought in your head about lack of hope of normalizing relations is just the current propaganda working. Edit: it's amazing just how short-sighted people can be. Look, we still bring up the Nazis as an unassailable argument for how something is bad. And yet the war with Germany ended and they are now a US ally fighting Russia. I'm sure in the midst of WW2 the common f…

Putin will need to put a gun to his head in a bunker before anything "normal" happens. Russia is a Third Reich level regime at the moment. Hence 300k killed and wounded causes zero reaction from the Russian public.

The Soviet-Afgan war was ended due to public discontent with 100k killed and wounded

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by The_Colonel » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:22 PM UTC

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #184

whimsicalism wrote: post #129

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This war will likely end with Ukraine losing some amount of land - it is just a matter of if they ever accept this or whether they want a Korea style frozen conflict.

The war will not end there. Just pause. It will not "end" until Russia has installed a subservient client regime in Ukraine like it has in Belorussia. If you doubt this, I encourage you to look at actual opinions within Russia itself. Interviews with Russians (the 1420 channel on Youtube for example), Russian media, Russian politicians. Their objection is far more than "there's Russian speakers being persecuted by Uk…

Those same people on 1420 will tell you that Poland and UK need to be denazified. It's just propaganda working, you can't mistake it for real strategic goals.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by The_Colonel » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:24 PM UTC

Throw73747 wrote: post #144

nradov wrote: post #111

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As the war drags on we can expect to see escalation in Ukrainian strikes against Russian infrastructure targets such as refineries. Russia is already short of air defense systems and isn't able to provide much coverage for civilian targets. Whether this works will depend on the level of sustained foreign aid for Ukraine. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2024/01/25/ukrain...

Kremlin will just use those attacks as an excuse to occupy larger parts of Ukraine. Bombing of Belgorod is now used as an excuse to create "demilitarized zone" that includes Kharkiv (second largest city in Ukraine). I guess another "demilitarized zone" will follow in Odessa, after some attack on Crimea.

The only reason Russia doesn't occupy Kharkiv, Odesa and Kyiv is that they can't. They don't need any excuse.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by cmrdporcupine » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:26 PM UTC

The_Colonel wrote: post #212

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #184

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The war will not end there. Just pause. It will not "end" until Russia has installed a subservient client regime in Ukraine like it has in Belorussia. If you doubt this, I encourage you to look at actual opinions within Russia itself. Interviews with Russians (the 1420 channel on Youtube for example), Russian media, Russian politicians. Their objection is far more than "there's Russian speakers being persecuted by Uk…

Those same people on 1420 will tell you that Poland and UK need to be denazified. It's just propaganda working, you can't mistake it for real strategic goals.

Absolutely, it's not scientific at all, but it shows the strong presence of a chauvinistic compliant population.

FWIW I think you could find similar nonsense on the streets of many (but not all) American cities. It's the kind of hubris that comes from being a huge country that is its own centre of gravity and a political leadership that runs around saying it's the "best country in the world" and stuff like that. That's how it looks from up here in Canada, anyways.

Anyways, you don't have to look at 1420, just the public pronouncements of Putin himself

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by reducesuffering » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:26 PM UTC

ecommerceguy wrote: post #122

HideousKojima wrote: post #78

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>(I still don't get exactly what the point of Afghanistan or Iraq was, even accepting the blunt "oil" that is sometimes given out). Are you serious? At least on the Afghanistan one? The war in Afghanistan began because the Taliban refused to extradite Osama Bin Laden (and several other terrorist, but Osama was the biggest one), it's pretty straightforward.

What country was Osama bin Laden found in?

It's amazing that some people think this is a valid retort when Abbottabad, Pakistan is a 5 hour drive from Jalalabad, Afghanistan, and of course it's safer to hide in the country that US doesn't have access to compared to the 10 year search they've been doing in Afghanistan.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by whimsicalism » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:26 PM UTC

Const-me wrote: post #195

somenameforme wrote: post #166

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Not quite! The immediate history here plays a huge role in where we're at today. In the 2014 the US backed a [coup, revolution, insurrection - whatever you want to call it] in Ukraine that saw their democratically elected pro-Russian President overthrown. Numerous Ukrainian territories that also leaned pro-Russia refused to recognize the new government and declared their independence, the Donbas region and Crimea amo…

You’re telling the false version of these events spread by the Russian state propaganda. > US backed a [coup, revolution, insurrection - whatever you want to call it] in Ukraine People of Ukraine did the revolution. The western backing you’re talking about was limited to vague verbal expressions of support. > territories that also leaned pro-Russia refused to recognize the new government and declared their independen…

> People of Ukraine did the revolution. The western backing you’re talking about was limited to vague verbal expressions of support.

Obviously no revolution can happen without popular dissatisfaction and massive popular support for an alternative. But I think the Nuland-Pyatt call leak firmly puts to bed the notion that US involvement was 'limited to vague verbal expressions of support.'

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by cedws » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:27 PM UTC

alephnerd wrote: post #201

cedws wrote: post #188

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With that is goodbye to any chance of wider Europe investing in Russia for the next century. I hope India takes notice because so far they seemed to have cared little about the blood on their hands.

> I hope India takes notice because so far they seemed to have cared little about the blood on their hands. If there's a buyer, there's a seller [0]. EU member states need oil, so they buy it via India. There's no alternative to Russian crude for the European market. Anyhow, the last time Indian listened to Western oil sanctions over Iran in the 2008-10 period [1], the Indian economy ground to a halt and had a lost d…

From Reuters article:

>Europe typically imported an average of 154,000 barrels per day (bpd) of diesel and jet fuel from India before Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

>That increased to 200,000 bpd after the European Union banned Russian oil products imports from Feb. 5, Kpler data showed.

An increase of 50,000 bpd across the whole of Europe is nothing in the grand scheme of things. India imported on average 1.76m bpd last year[0].

>Anyhow, the last time Indian listened to Western oil sanctions over Iran in the 2008-10 period [1], the Indian economy ground to a halt and had a lost decade

That sounds like a them problem? Maybe they should invest more in renewables?

>Given this context, India ain't dropping this competitive advantage.

The world will remember those who profiteer from war.

[0]: https://www.reuters.com/world/india/russia-makes-up-40-india...

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:28 PM UTC

The_Colonel wrote: post #212

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #184

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The war will not end there. Just pause. It will not "end" until Russia has installed a subservient client regime in Ukraine like it has in Belorussia. If you doubt this, I encourage you to look at actual opinions within Russia itself. Interviews with Russians (the 1420 channel on Youtube for example), Russian media, Russian politicians. Their objection is far more than "there's Russian speakers being persecuted by Uk…

Those same people on 1420 will tell you that Poland and UK need to be denazified. It's just propaganda working, you can't mistake it for real strategic goals.

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Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by The_Colonel » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:28 PM UTC

jcranmer wrote: post #152

para_parolu wrote: post #141

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That happens in 2014 when Ukraine lost Crimea. They accepted it and lived on. There is zero safety guarantees for them.

Ukraine has been fighting Russia for nearly a decade, with active if low-level warfare in the Donbass region the entire time. I wouldn't exactly call that "accept[ing] it and liv[ing] on."

From about 2017 the war was very low-level, limited to some artillery duels. And those duels weren't entirely Ukrainian choice, if Russia shoots at you, you can't just ignore it.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by whimsicalism » Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 6:28 PM UTC

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #214

The_Colonel wrote: post #212

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Those same people on 1420 will tell you that Poland and UK need to be denazified. It's just propaganda working, you can't mistake it for real strategic goals.

Absolutely, it's not scientific at all, but it shows the strong presence of a chauvinistic compliant population. FWIW I think you could find similar nonsense on the streets of many (but not all) American cities. It's the kind of hubris that comes from being a huge country that is its own centre of gravity and a political leadership that runs around saying it's the "best country in the world" and stuff like that. That…

I love how you all create these little side threads where you imagine people's views and then argue against them rather than taking the actually stated views of people in this thread at face value.