this thing is going to drive "phone" addiction through to the stratosphere when it drops in price.
The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad
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Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately I think most people want the "escape" of these digital worlds. To them (and others), it's easier to live inside of dream world than fix the current one.
If you think about it, it's indeed easier to start from scratch and create a new digital world than to fix the current one. The current world depends on far too many people
the problem, of course, manifests when you, who is content with the real world, has the digital world forced upon you because that's where "everyone" else is
"you will eat the b^H^H wear the headset"
Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad
#83"UPLOAD" (produced by Greg Daniels) will be the next generation's "Idiocracy"; I'm calling it now.
It's not a fantastic show but I think it paints an accurate picture of where AI and AR/VR will take us if it grows unchecked.
Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad
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I don’t think that’s what the GP is saying. It’s more like beverages exist but certain ones are worse for you (like alcoholic ones) than others. It’s what’s being consumed that is important not its medium. I don’t know if I agree with that just that you’re characterization is off. I think the medium is the message.
Alcohol is a bad comparison, due to the medium/carrier problem. Its both the medium and the carrier. But to stretch the analogy, drinks are still an issue "because its the people hawking them have the wrong incentives". It could be sugary drinks, alcoholic ones, etc, they are all bad (even water). However this doesn't say much about why these drinks are all bad, which has nothing to do with incentives. Its a similar…
TV shows follow a predictable formula, because of the media. Movies too, if they want to be successful.
A common saying for Movie and TV adaptations for books is 'we needed to change it to adapt it to the big screen'. Which is true.
It would be really silly to directly transcribe a reading of LOTR to a movie - despite the week long running time.
The media is the message, and the message is the media - if we want it to work/be effective.
The marketing and type of drinks for alcohol are not the same as for sodas - for a reason.
So saying some fundamental properties of the media won't impact the type of message or impact of the message seems a bit unlikely.
Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad
#85I got back from the Apple Store a few hours ago and that headline is exactly how I felt when I finished the 20 minute demo. It was amazing, it’s the future of entertainment especially sports and that’s the sad part, you will be enjoying it alone.
How did it work to get a nice, long demo? You wait on a line, place your name on a queue, or something else?
The demo was ~20 min. I put my name on a list and waited about 30 min. I was surprised that most people at the store were not there for the Vision Pro.
Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Current stats are that 50% of Americans aged 30-49 have a social media addiction. Under 29 who knows but obviously higher. You can't expect a coke head to not snort the whole bag. We just don't believe social media addiction is like a coke addiction. This isn't going to just get better either. What are the kids that grew up watching tiktok as a first memory all of the sudden going to become ludite hippies in 15 years…
The amount of robberies is going to skyrocket... I would suspect that Apple will have to implement some sort of "50% translucency requirement for on-screen windows" so that using the Vision Pro in public places will not prevent people from being aware of their central vision & surroundings. I don't personally carry a cell phone with me in day-to-day life, so I am already well aware of how addictive technology is for…
At least the googles could probably record the robbery in spatial video. Maybe it could upload to the cops who would probably ignore it.
Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
How did it work to get a nice, long demo? You wait on a line, place your name on a queue, or something else?
The demo was ~20 min. I put my name on a list and waited about 30 min. I was surprised that most people at the store were not there for the Vision Pro.
Don't laugh, but this sounds like a novel way to take my SO out on a date. Thanks!
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
One side of my family has a weekly Zoom call with elderly parents, scheduled for 2-3 years at this point. Every other week, someone needs to call said parents and walk them through connecting to Zoom. Again. Introduce a VR headset? Absolutely not.
Call them daily and you would not have to "walk them through using Zoom". Better still use something like Telegram where calling is as easy as sending an SMS and they'll call you instead. I use a combination of Nextcloud Talk, Telegram, Jitsi Talk running on my own server and Conversations (Android XMPP app) connecting to my own XMPP server to keep in contact with my mother (85) who lives in the Netherlands while I l…
It's awesome you're comfortable maintaining servers to support the tech, and ensuring it works daily. Not all of us prioritize server admin the same way.
> I'm not going to introduce VR either...it just does not add anything real over what video calling already offers.
^ this is the key point.
Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's an interesting set of conflicting forces where people are tempted through selfish interests to be lazy interacting with humans and prefer to stay home connected while also craving intimate human interaction. I think this laziness is encouraging us to stay home while also causing all us to feel more isolated and lonely. Like you said, "social junk food", but it's also video games, TV, etc. We've invented more…
> There's an interesting set of conflicting forces where people are tempted through selfish interests to be lazy interacting with humans and prefer to stay home connected while also craving intimate human interaction. Counterpoint: when genuine human interaction does start to happen online, there's often an incentive to monetize it. It's the monetization that turns it into junk food. Spam, clickbait, infinite algorit…
Online spaces cost a lot of money and manpower to run. Half the people on this site could put one up in a day, but who would pay to scale it if it wasn't monetized? And as soon as it is, you have an opaque corporate hierarchy directly MITMiddling discourse.
Wikipedia and Archive.org provide clues to other ways this could be addressed, through nonprofit donations, but then you have a somewhat opaque and unelected priesthood moderating things.
HN gets around it by basically being niche enough to rely on one overworked person to moderate. Scaling up the HN model would mean many individual small sites acting independently as a patchwork of public commons.
And all the other workarounds to this problem - and I agree it's a huge social problem and a drain on society - turn out to involve some technical hack to tie patchworks together, like Mastodon.
One thing that hasn't really been tried (by a democracy), at least that I know of, is a social network for citizens run by elected committees. And this may be the worst idea of all, since it would become a natural competitor for power with all other branches of government, and would run the risk of directly corrupting national politics in any number of ways...
Basically all this is to say that running any kind of mediation at scale between random members of society is dangerous, and not just because of the profit motive, but more basically because power corrupts.
Re: The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Alcohol is a bad comparison, due to the medium/carrier problem. Its both the medium and the carrier. But to stretch the analogy, drinks are still an issue "because its the people hawking them have the wrong incentives". It could be sugary drinks, alcoholic ones, etc, they are all bad (even water). However this doesn't say much about why these drinks are all bad, which has nothing to do with incentives. Its a similar…
TV shows follow a predictable formula, because of the media. Movies too, if they want to be successful. A common saying for Movie and TV adaptations for books is 'we needed to change it to adapt it to the big screen'. Which is true. It would be really silly to directly transcribe a reading of LOTR to a movie - despite the week long running time. The media is the message, and the message is the media - if we want it t…
> So saying some fundamental properties of the media won't impact the type of message or impact of the message seems a bit unlikely.
Exactly. Some properties of the medium are inherent. No amount of "bad actor" excuses change that, and possibly even affect the usage.