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Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by para_parolu »

whimsicalism wrote: post #129
kergonath wrote: post #124

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Talking to people actually living in the place could give you a clue. Putin is a neocon, sure, but no bureaucrat started this war and Ukraine is very unlikely to just fold and submit if the US stop their support. Liberals have also nothing to do with Russian aggression.

This war will likely end with Ukraine losing some amount of land - it is just a matter of if they ever accept this or whether they want a Korea style frozen conflict.

That happens in 2014 when Ukraine lost Crimea. They accepted it and lived on. There is zero safety guarantees for them.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by roynasser »

reisse wrote: post #119
krunck wrote: post #114

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By "anti-war" do you mean in general or in regard to a particular war?

Ex-CEO of Russian Yandex made a post in an internal network explaining she moved to Israel, and, among other things, saying "I don't want to live in a country waging wars with its neighbours (sic)". I wonder if she understood her own hypocrisy.

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Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by alephnerd »

whimsicalism wrote: post #126
alephnerd wrote: post #110

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Slight edit to this. I didn't realize the core founding team was pushed out and largely committed Aliyah for Israel after the 2022 War began. Not surprised either, as the core team was fairly progressive and anti-war, as a lot of Russian techies are. Also, it was the core team that was working on forward facing bets - sort of like a more functional version of Larry Page and Sergey Brin - and they're keeping those for…

Given the move from Russia to Israel and the timing of when most Russian techies left, I suspect it is more out of fear of the draft than out of principle. Not that I blame them - I doubt I would leave the US even during an unjust war… but a draft?

100%. It's much easier than naturalizing in Germany, the UK, or US.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by Throw73747 »

nradov wrote: post #111
thriftwy wrote: post #109

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Well, at the current point of time Russia's economy and infrastructure are mostly intact. I'm not sure why is that for a dramatic change. If you look at Iran, it also has its infrastructure in quite OK conditions - perhaps in better shape than all of their neighbours, and now that may even include Turkey. Russia is larger and has not self-inflicted being a theocracy. As for the losses of both sides, I'd suggest leavi…

As the war drags on we can expect to see escalation in Ukrainian strikes against Russian infrastructure targets such as refineries. Russia is already short of air defense systems and isn't able to provide much coverage for civilian targets. Whether this works will depend on the level of sustained foreign aid for Ukraine. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2024/01/25/ukrain...

Kremlin will just use those attacks as an excuse to occupy larger parts of Ukraine. Bombing of Belgorod is now used as an excuse to create "demilitarized zone" that includes Kharkiv (second largest city in Ukraine). I guess another "demilitarized zone" will follow in Odessa, after some attack on Crimea.

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Post by twixfel »

hobs wrote: post #105
macintux wrote: post #93

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That was a highly-conditional offer, that I suspect the U.S. administration felt was designed to give the Taliban and bin Laden breathing room to escape/hide/whatever their next move would have been.

Well thankfully we put a stop to that and immediately brought an end to the conflict and captured Osama without billions of dollars and a potential war!

Yeah if only the Taliban had handed over Bin Laden to North Korea, then I'm sure justice would have been served.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by whimsicalism »

kergonath wrote: post #138
whimsicalism wrote: post #129

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This war will likely end with Ukraine losing some amount of land - it is just a matter of if they ever accept this or whether they want a Korea style frozen conflict.

You say it like it’s their choice. Moldova never asked for Transnistria. It’s fairly SOP for Russia to take bites from its neighbours, let’s stop blaming the victims. Whatever Russia ends up doing, they are preparing for themselves a second Chechnya at the very least.

Of course it is not just their choice. Russia has indicated their willingness to accept current holdings (for now, you are right there are no guarantees).

Ukraine could and should get better than just that, but this notion of taking back Crimea is a pipe dream and I don’t support continued funding until that goal is realized.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by twixfel »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #120
sorenjan wrote: post #75

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The US sought a quick peace in Ukraine, they even asked Russia to not invade even before Russia started their invasion. You can't get much quicker than before the events have taken place. It didn't work because Russia isn't interested in peace, but that's not the US' fault.

Is there a source to this statement?

We were all there, the US and UK were warning about the invasion for a long time before it happened. The Russians and their useful idiots in the West laughed, of course they would never invade! Then the invasion actually did happen and now magically history has been rewritten and it was the US that somehow caused it in the first place.

Only problem: I do have a memory and I can remember 2 years ago. So yes very clearly Russia started this war all by themselves despite the US trying to dissuade them from doing so.

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Post by jcranmer »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #117
rurp wrote: post #112

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So do countries, if we're looking at a long enough time scale. There is no end in sight for the war in Ukraine and when the end comes it's likely to be messy. It might be more of a pause than a true end, and one or both sides will likely be pretty unhappy with the outcome. It could be many years before Russia and the west go back to a comfortable economic relationship.

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> Prove me wrong.

Neoconservatives are not, and indeed have not held power in the US for the better part of a decade. Indeed not even back when Russia invaded Crimea if memory serves me correctly.

Of course, there's a decent probability that you've redefined "neoconservative" to mean "people whose politics I don't like" as opposed to any definition that's actually useful for an analysis of foreign policy, and concomitantly that you are so myopically focused on one specific component of foreign policy that you would refuse to admit any evidence that might actually prove you wrong.

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Post by whimsicalism »

twixfel wrote: post #139
whimsicalism wrote: post #128

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I agree that animosity is deep rooted between neighbors. But I suspect it is less deep between distant countries that have had working relationships in the past.

I think there's deep animosity between Russia and much of the West. It's very easy for Americans to shrug their shoulders and say "we don't care it's a long way away", regardless of whether or not that would be a historic surrender for the global hegemon, but we Europeans cannot. It's on our doorstep. Russia has not just attacked Ukraine, but all of Europe. There will never be normalised relations with Russia whilst…

The comparison between Putin and Hitler is ridiculous.

Europe’s economy is in shambles, they do not have the power to push back if Russia and the US were to push for détente never mind that the country with the most EU influence (Germany) is a major dove on this issue.

Re: Yandex to divest its Russia-based businesses

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Post by HideousKojima »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #122
HideousKojima wrote: post #78

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>(I still don't get exactly what the point of Afghanistan or Iraq was, even accepting the blunt "oil" that is sometimes given out). Are you serious? At least on the Afghanistan one? The war in Afghanistan began because the Taliban refused to extradite Osama Bin Laden (and several other terrorist, but Osama was the biggest one), it's pretty straightforward.

What country was Osama bin Laden found in?

What does where Osama was killed a decade later have to do with where he was operating out of in 2001?
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