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Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by Strom »

rexf wrote: post #235
Strom wrote: post #139

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Yeah but if you always have to spend a lot of time finding something to watch, then that shows up in their analytics as increased engagement. Allowing you to remove garbage would make you spend less time in their app.

If you're actually watching content (a whole movie, a series, etc), the total actual usage of the service easily eclipses any time spent bouncing around the UI?

Yeah but many people go in with the goal of watching a single movie. Thus spending more time in the UI is the only way to pad that time.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #9

Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). Streaming is no longer easier than piracy, why pay for 8 different services and have to waste your time figuring out whats on what when you can just have one service for free, even if its illegal, and have it all under one roof. The services have taken the piss and now they'll get…

Yeah, it's so much easier to just use fmovies, bflix or things like that. Just access your browser and use. Don't even need to torrent in modern times.

Funnily enough their UI is much better and more intuitive as well, in addition to having all the content together. They also offer imdb ratings etc.

I would pay $50 - $100 for a server like fmovies, bflix. So it wouldn't be a complete headache to understand what you can and can't watch in your region.

Everytime I want to watch Netflix nowadays, unless I happened to hear from somebody, that there's something awesome there, then I just browse it, and nothing of interest is popping up, so I just go somewhere else.

I don't pirate because I don't have money to pay or that I don't want to pay. I pirate because using the real services is so impossibly frustrating and disappointing.

It's fine to have multiple services, it's good for the competition, but there needs to be a system to make it so that each service can stream all things. Even if it costs within that service, so be it. Even where you pay per stream or view is good. If you have your own original content then you just ask other streaming services to pay for it while your own end-users can watch it for free, the other service's end users will have to pay.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by Repulsion9513 »

rekoil wrote: post #529
izacus wrote: post #495

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Yeah, also pirated content has: - 4K HDR video, not whatever the heck the buggy client delivers. - Atmos/TrueHD audio track that actually works, not whatever the broken app delivers (I'm looking at you Sky and rest of the ilk that still deliver HBO content with stereo). - Subtitles for ALL the languages, not just one or two. And those languages don't disappear when I go on a vacation, leaving me stuck with german aud…

I personally find that Spotifys offline content has worked reliably over the years. You just gotta remember that when you get a new device you have to go to library and click download and then leave Spotify open for a few hours. Spotify is also a great example of how to beat piracy. I haven't downloaded an mp3 file since I got a Spotify Premium account in 2007. OK that's probably a slight overstatement, but it's near…

It's funny that Spotify figured out how to do it long before most of these TV streaming services even existed, and they still manage to get it wrong.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by Repulsion9513 »

mandmandam wrote: post #725
rekoil wrote: post #715

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Yeah I know discs still exist for now, I'm talking about when they suddenly don't anymore. Hopefully that's far far into the future. And as for Spotify exploiting artists, I don't know how accurate this[1] is, but if it is then it seems pretty fair to me? Maybe slightly on the lower end of what I had expected, but not that far off. If you have a million monthly listeners (and today you have access to over 574M monthl…

I don't think you have any idea how much work, luck, work, talent and work it takes to get to a million monthly listens. "Zero hours of work" - I know artists get underestimated, but this is next level. Btw, taking the very top .1% of earners in a field, like movie or pop stars, and using their returns to imply that musicians and actors are fairly compensated, is a very silly thing to do. Tbh, as someone who knows a…

Continuing to list your existing music on Spotify does indeed require 0 hours of work.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by humpydumpy »

HumblyTossed wrote: post #203
eastbound wrote: post #43

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But that means companies must sell for the marginal price of their website’s ergonomics, not for the marginal price of producing movies. (Which is not a big loss, because I can’t imagine producing the Netflix knockoffs be a hundredth the price of a 007).

So pay for several services and then pirate the content because it’s just more convenient. Best of both worlds. You’ve paid and you get the content in the form(s) you need.

and you have finanically supported services that offer shitty usability

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by cableshaft »

radley wrote: post #340
nerdix wrote: post #209

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Also, H265 encoded 1080p is hitting the sweet spot between quality and file size. About 500-ish MB per hour of content for decent quality. Its sort of like when VBR encoded MP3s became the standard in the privacy scene in the early 00s. The quality is good enough for most folks plus the reduced file size means that it downloads really fast on average connections and isn't prohibitively expensive to store so you can c…

> About 500-ish MB per hour of content for decent quality. That's still YIFY-quality video, which is a few steps below HBO/MAX, which happens to be among the lowest quality paid streams. ATV+ is killing it with 30Mbps 4K HDR+ video (it used to be as high as 48Mbps). Disney+ is close. The Netflix 4K plan serves up high 1080p bitrates, 2x better than their 1080p plan. Worth paying for.

I don't pay extra for 4K streaming in part because I just don't have the bandwidth each month to handle 4x larger video downloads.

Even with 1080p and 2-3 downloaded modern video games per month (which are all greater than 100GB now), I tend to get up to my 1TB bandwidth cap each month. I start paying extra after that.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by worksonmine »

realusername wrote: post #461
Daz1 wrote: post #450

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It is absolutely theft, nobody is falling for that semantics argument - you're depriving a rights holder of revenue that they would otherwise gained.

> you're depriving a rights holder of revenue that they would otherwise gained. There's never been a single proof of a loss of revenue during research. So no, while it's usually a talking point on the anti-piracy ads, it's an urban legend.

If I wasn't pirating I would most likely have at least one service.

I'm stealing just as much as I would be stealing if I took code from a developer without paying what we agreed to. The entire stealing/not stealing discussion is just useless semantics.

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Post by troyvit »

martindbp wrote: post #419
PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #9

Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). Streaming is no longer easier than piracy, why pay for 8 different services and have to waste your time figuring out whats on what when you can just have one service for free, even if its illegal, and have it all under one roof. The services have taken the piss and now they'll get…

> The services have taken the piss and now they'll get the repercussions of it. Whose fault is it really that all content is not available on a single service? It's nobody's fault, it was inevitable given how things work. How could you "fix" it? You'd need legislation saying that all content must be made available for licensing at the same price for every service. But that's not enough, because why would HBO sell the…

> How could you "fix" it?

The larger a company is the more it falls back to "let the market decide." In this case the market is starting to decide (again) to bypass the poor user experience the big players offer and just steal the content. This is the point where it's time for the market to adapt (again) if they want to keep revenue.

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Post by [deleted] »

AngryData wrote: post #143
CommanderData wrote: post #98

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I'd like to compare yours to all streaming sites I've used, which are riddled with ads and deceptive clicks.

If they are using a decent ad blocker they probably dont see 99.9% of that. At most they might note one of the couple mirrors for the video doesn't work.

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Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by cableshaft »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #679
martindbp wrote: post #419

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> The services have taken the piss and now they'll get the repercussions of it. Whose fault is it really that all content is not available on a single service? It's nobody's fault, it was inevitable given how things work. How could you "fix" it? You'd need legislation saying that all content must be made available for licensing at the same price for every service. But that's not enough, because why would HBO sell the…

People don't care about multiple services, they really care about the hassle. Cable TV sort of already solved this with how they handle movie packages like HBO or Starz. You pay your cable company a little more and you can watch those channels (or stream them). No need to worry about logins, accounts, separate apps/interfaces, etc.

Digital sort of has this, at least on Amazon. I can watch Paramount or Starz or HBO Max content via Amazon Prime if I have a subscription to them, for example.
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