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Post by jpsouth »

hasty_pudding wrote: post #749
rightbyte wrote: post #726

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I have no clue who this Reagan guy is. But sometimes you don't want to support people. Music is usually considered art and you are a boring downer of you complain about artists political or personal controversies. That is another thing. And the artist always have the benefit of doubt of the protagonist in the song not being the artist himself.

Jon Reagan is one of the most famous podcasters lol

His older brother, Ron, is also pretty famous for some stuff he did a while back.

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Post by nerdix »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #591
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Also, H265 encoded 1080p is hitting the sweet spot between quality and file size. About 500-ish MB per hour of content for decent quality. Its sort of like when VBR encoded MP3s became the standard in the privacy scene in the early 00s. The quality is good enough for most folks plus the reduced file size means that it downloads really fast on average connections and isn't prohibitively expensive to store so you can c…

> the privacy scene lol > Also I think the shift to SSDs from spinning rust delayed the adoption of widespread video piracy 10-ish years ago Huh? 500GB (and more) drives became available at 2006 and by 2008 dropped below $150. Also there was no demand for extra-high-wanna-see-every-original-pixel quality, so XviD releases with atrocious quality but a fine file size were common and were fine on 40-80-250GB drives in 2…

A 500GB HDD, yes. I'm thinking of the person who had a laptop in 2010-2012 and either replaced their large capacity 2.5 inch HDD with a smaller capacity 128GB or 256GB SSD for the massive performance increase or bought one that had an SSD preinstalled. This would also be a shared drive so it isn't dedicated to media.

2010-2012 is also when most folks would have already upgraded to a HD display and so there was more demand for HD content.

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Post by apwell23 »

mi_z wrote: post #690
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I personally find that Spotifys offline content has worked reliably over the years. You just gotta remember that when you get a new device you have to go to library and click download and then leave Spotify open for a few hours. Spotify is also a great example of how to beat piracy. I haven't downloaded an mp3 file since I got a Spotify Premium account in 2007. OK that's probably a slight overstatement, but it's near…

Spotify isn't a great example because barely anyone makes money with it. It only works because the musicians are exploited to the max. The reason this won't happen with film and TV is because of unionisation. Why not just buy discs? People keep repeating that discs are dying but so many releases are coming out there is way more than I can buy.

> Why not just buy discs?

because they are bad for the environment.

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Post by martindbp »

trklausss wrote: post #663
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> The services have taken the piss and now they'll get the repercussions of it. Whose fault is it really that all content is not available on a single service? It's nobody's fault, it was inevitable given how things work. How could you "fix" it? You'd need legislation saying that all content must be made available for licensing at the same price for every service. But that's not enough, because why would HBO sell the…

> It was inevitable given how things work. It's like every technology: if this is how things work, and they are suboptimal, the optimal solution will be applied. If we say "oh to bad, it's how it's established", then people will go against the establishment if that means better capabilities. > How could you "fix" it? Take a look at the music industry, they have solved it pretty well. I can stream everything on Spotif…

Then what are you claiming the difference is? Are music labels inherently less greedy? Is it harder to build music streaming vs video that leads to a monopoly?

Is it because labels have ownership in Spotify? I don't think the HBOs and Disneys will give up their streaming platform unless forced to do it.

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Post by marxisttemp »

saiya-jin wrote: post #620
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> About 500-ish MB per hour of content for decent quality. That's still YIFY-quality video, which is a few steps below HBO/MAX, which happens to be among the lowest quality paid streams. ATV+ is killing it with 30Mbps 4K HDR+ video (it used to be as high as 48Mbps). Disney+ is close. The Netflix 4K plan serves up high 1080p bitrates, 2x better than their 1080p plan. Worth paying for.

This is not correct, the bitrates are actually cca 2x that high. I don't have YIFY much, went for RARBG since they released literally everything I cared about and wanted a bit of uniformity, always with subs, bad releases got PROPER fix etc. But they both aimed at same file sizes. X265 1080p movies for both rippers are roughly 1.5-2GB per average movie, which is on average 1.5-2h long. You won't find better quality i…

I do. But I’m on private trackers where almost all content is well-seeded and long-term seeding is rewarded, so download time is less of a concern.

Why? Because I want the highest-quality possible copy. Same reason I download lossless versions of albums. It’s less about being able to perceive the quality increase, and moreso about archival. Then my Plex server can transcode to appropriate streaming bitrates on the fly without having to re-encode an already heavily compressed video stream.

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Post by mlrtime »

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Of course this is 100% the correct reasoning. When I was a broke college kid I pirated all the things, and at the time wished, when I could afford it, I’d rather just pay. When I could, I did, for years. Now we’re back at the path-of-least-resistance is pirating.

I mean, stealing is always easier than paying for something.

"stealing" is not always easier. Pirating is sometimes easier, sometimes cheaper, it depends.

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Post by matwood »

jpsouth wrote: post #769
matwood wrote: post #731

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The OP was annoyed they bought a podcast they liked and then put it behind a UI/UX which is hard to use. Presumably if Spotify went out of business Rogan would end up back on the open market. Turns out the new deal lets Rogan put shows back on YouTube so it doesn't matter. BTW, I agree about the Spotify UI. I never liked it and was a GPM user until they destroyed it by pushing me to YTM. Now I use AM, since if I'm go…

Out of curiosity I tried to find the podcast in question on the Spotify iPhone app. Literally 3 taps and I’ve found a full list of episodes. I’ve also tried on my Mac, slightly more presses (four, to be exact) as I had to press ‘podcasts & shows’ to refine the search slightly more. I don’t see how that’s hard to use. Each to their own though I guess, I’ve not seen how difficult it is your side so can’t really comment…

I don't care for the Spotify UI in general.

For podcasts, I think people who are big into podcasts are also particular about their player. I know I am. For me, there's space for a music app and a podcast app. They are both audio, but otherwise very different.

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Post by mandmandam »

mlrtime wrote: post #755
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I don't think you have any idea how much work, luck, work, talent and work it takes to get to a million monthly listens. "Zero hours of work" - I know artists get underestimated, but this is next level. Btw, taking the very top .1% of earners in a field, like movie or pop stars, and using their returns to imply that musicians and actors are fairly compensated, is a very silly thing to do. Tbh, as someone who knows a…

1) "Exploitation" of artists has happened long before Spotify. Even the popular ones with music deals. So Spotify isn't making this better or worse. 2) Talent and success in music have never been tightly correlated. Marketing is what sells music, not just talent. Marketing requires a lot of money (And payola). If anything Spotify levels this playing field a bit.

> 1) "Exploitation" of artists has happened long before Spotify. Even the popular ones with music deals. So Spotify isn't making this better or worse.

How exactly does the fact that artists have been exploited before mean that Spotify isn't making things worse?

> 2) Talent and success in music have never been tightly correlated.

That's not remotely true. And even pop stars lip syncing songs other people wrote are working very hard, and often exploited.

> Marketing is what sells music, not just talent.

Sure; like nearly everything else. And guess what - most of the artists on Spotify are doing their own marketing.

> If anything Spotify levels this playing field a bit.

"Artists can be paid as little as 13% of the income generated, receiving as little as £0.002 to about £0.0038 per stream on Spotify" [0]. That's not leveling the playing field, that's exploitation; and if you want to defend it I think you need to start bringing actual evidence instead of just spouting your own (deeply unpopular) opinion as fact.

0 - https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/apr/10/music-streamin...

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