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Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by orwin »

erostrate wrote: post #102
Fradow wrote: post #75

This article leaves a lot of details out. As a Parisian who's been following this with attention, here are a few details: * first, the "SUV" part is the intent, but not the reality. It's actually by weight: over 1600kg for ICE and 2000kg for electric/hybrids. A lot of French SUVs fit under those restrictions (for example Peugeot 2008/3008). It's unclear to me if there is really something specific to target those SUVs…

> this is only for paid surface parking for non-residents. Residents price is not impacted (which is controversial). Underground parking is private and not affected. Free parking (outside of 8AM to 8PM Monday to Saturday) stays free for everyone. If my end goal was to apply this to everyone at some point, I would probably start with such a restricted law, then extend it step by step later.

Nah, it might be extended to residents, but the private parking and the free parking hours won't be changed ever.

(unless a national law is passed).

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by ChatGTP »

quonn wrote: post #89
ChatGTP wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world is off ICEs now, no amount of lobbying is going to convince people they’re a good idea going forwards.

> The world is off ICEs now How is it off ICE? It's slowly moving in the right direction, but very slowly indeed. New ICE will be produced and sold even in Europe for another 10 years and afterwards they have a long lifetime.

Younger people are growing up facing an existential threat from climate change, they're the next generation of car buyers, and they're not passionate about or interested in maintaining the status quo.

My fathers generation was, most people were very concerned at the idea of there being no more ICE vehicles on the road, as if something important was being taken away from them from a cultural standpoint.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by resolutebat »

sharken wrote: post #72
seydor wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

tiny EVs are going to be very popular in europe

I'd hardly call a 2 tonnes EV a tiny car, which is the limit in the proposal. The Tesla model 3 is right on that limit with 1.980 Kg, whereas the model Y weighs 2.4 tonnes. In Denmark the model Y is by far the most sold car in 2023, with 1 out of every 10 cars being a model Y. So I think it will be an uphill battle to enact the same law in Denmark.

Where are you getting those numbers from? Tesla's specs pages say 1777/1840kg and 1911/1981kg for the standard/long-range Model 3 and Model Y respectively:

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_cn/GUID-5656213...

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_cn/GUID-E47C4A6...

The Model 3 is undoubtedly still a heavy car, but the bulk of that is the battery pack, so the weight will go down as battery tech improves. Maybe it already has compared to your source?

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by mrpopo »

ZaoLahma wrote: post #109
rwmj wrote: post #3

It makes sense that road and parking pricing should be proportional to the size and impact of your car. Hopefully this will encourage manufacturers to produce more smaller cars - it's getting somewhat hard to buy a small car these days. I'd love to have a Japanese-style Kei car.

It would be nice if the rules for 2 wheeled vehicles could be refined as well. Here (not France) you can drive an EU moped (45km/h) on a car license, which could (and should!) be a great alternative to a smaller car. The problem is that it's difficult to get to and through the city without touching the highways, which are strictly off limits for the mopeds for obvious reasons. What's needed is something in between a…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_i-MiEV

Max speed is told to be 130km/h but I'm pretty sure I drove my C-zero faster than that without much issue

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by greatgib »

This vote was a total joke.

For example, the question on the ballots was totally different and like "do you approve bad things"?

But if you want to laugh a little bit, look at the official results: https://x.com/lachape_one/status/1754271878737203536?s=20

The total of ballots "FOR" + "AGAINST" in one district equal to 108% ...

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by reacharavindh »

BytesAndGears wrote: post #53
mcntsh wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EVs are not really popular in my EU city because they require a dedicated parking space with a charger and most people live in an apartment with none of that.

At least in my city (in NL), there are a bunch of public electric chargers with the street parking around the city. It seems like almost 25% of spots are electric only in my neighborhood

Living in another NL city in the Randstad. Although the infrastructure is getting there and is apparently much better than other countries, it is still hard for me, living in a terraced house without a dedicated car parking space in front of my house. The charging spots in my neighborhood are almost always full - and I will be anxious to leave my car there because what happens when my car is done charging and it is occupying the slot from someone else? Or worse, if others do the same and I don’t have a spot.

The public fast chargers cost pretty close to the equivalent Diesel cost for my ICE car. That is after paying extra to go electric compared to a cheaper ICE car.

We are not there yet to get more folks like me to give up their ICE cars and go electric. I’ll keep my VW Golf kicking until the situation improves and hopefully soon.

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Post by curun1r »

mcntsh wrote: post #25
seydor wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

tiny EVs are going to be very popular in europe

EVs are not really popular in my EU city because they require a dedicated parking space with a charger and most people live in an apartment with none of that.

This isn’t inherently true. Take a look at the Silence S04. The batteries are removable and have wheels and a handle like luggage. You could park in any old spot and wheel the battery home to charge.

They’re even cheap to buy because you can buy just the car and lease the batteries on a monthly basis. For small city cars with batteries that aren’t too heavy, this kind of design makes an EV workable for a lot of people who might otherwise not consider one for the reason you’ve stated.

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Post by wink »

BytesAndGears wrote: post #53
mcntsh wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EVs are not really popular in my EU city because they require a dedicated parking space with a charger and most people live in an apartment with none of that.

At least in my city (in NL), there are a bunch of public electric chargers with the street parking around the city. It seems like almost 25% of spots are electric only in my neighborhood

I'm not 100% sure where the next public charger is here (quick research says: 1x 1.4km and 1x 1.8km) and one at Aldi closer to my apartment. For me this basically means an EV is completely off the roadmap.

This is in Munich, Germany, so basically an unimportant remote place. :P

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

Fradow wrote: post #75

This article leaves a lot of details out. As a Parisian who's been following this with attention, here are a few details: * first, the "SUV" part is the intent, but not the reality. It's actually by weight: over 1600kg for ICE and 2000kg for electric/hybrids. A lot of French SUVs fit under those restrictions (for example Peugeot 2008/3008). It's unclear to me if there is really something specific to target those SUVs…

>the result was expected

With 54,55 % in favor and only 5,68 % voting, I wouldn't call that "expected".

>is strictly a QoL improvements for Parisians

No, anyone visiting Paris in anything other than an SUV (say, a train, a bus, a bicycle) will benefit.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Post by adrianN »

ZaoLahma wrote: post #109
rwmj wrote: post #3

It makes sense that road and parking pricing should be proportional to the size and impact of your car. Hopefully this will encourage manufacturers to produce more smaller cars - it's getting somewhat hard to buy a small car these days. I'd love to have a Japanese-style Kei car.

It would be nice if the rules for 2 wheeled vehicles could be refined as well. Here (not France) you can drive an EU moped (45km/h) on a car license, which could (and should!) be a great alternative to a smaller car. The problem is that it's difficult to get to and through the city without touching the highways, which are strictly off limits for the mopeds for obvious reasons. What's needed is something in between a…

It would be nice if they didn't intentionally nerf the speed limit to 45 so that's impossible to keep up with the flow of traffic. That makes them a lot less appealing and much more dangerous.
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