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Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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EVs produce almost no brake dust. Someone needs to develop tyres that are made of healthier materials.

They produce break dust.

Maybe you should have asked ChatGPT. It would have told you that due to regenerative breaking no break dust is produced.

The recuperation is pretty strong and there is absolutely no need to ever break inside a city, except in rare emergency situations.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

#82
post #10

There are small SUVs and they are great. They are popular for a reason: they have Utility, and you can use them slightly offroad. OTOH an X3 or other luxury suv is basically stupid concept other than a display of wealth.

An X3 isn't massive. We have a mid-size people carrier and although it's a different (and less practical) shape, it's a very similar size. An X7 is more what you're talking about, which almost no-one has.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

#83
post #68

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EVs produce almost no brake dust. Someone needs to develop tyres that are made of healthier materials.

> Someone needs to develop tyres that are made of healthier materials. Good point. We certainly have the technology. Currently tyres are half natural rubber and half plastic. They could be made 100% rubber, perhaps with some drawbacks. Maybe an engineer can comment on that, I would be very interested to know why exactly the non natural rubber is needed. I know that Continental has a research project to make the natur…

I suspect that's partly due to the scale of land use that would be required for rubber plantations.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Interesting to note: the turnout (5.6%) is even lower than when it was decided to ban e-scooters sharing systems (7.4%). Also note this only applies to vehicles from non-residents. And that parking in public spots is already very expensive in Paris; limited to a maximum of 6h, which will cost you up to 75€: https://www.paris.fr/pages/payer-son-stationnement-2129

> the turnout (5.6%) is even lower than when it was decided to ban electric scooters public sharing (7.4%). These things should really have a quorum requirement.

Most eligible voters are probably not personally affected and so didn't see a need vote. A quorum would make it effectively impossible to change anything.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

#85
post #51

Should be added that this is for SUVs coming from outside of Paris and doesn't affect residents. Positive development nonetheless.

Let's have a vote of only the residents about an issue that only affects the non-residents...

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

#86
post #70

The reality is that people like their SUVs. It doesn’t matter where in the world, SUVs are popular and growing in market share. Here’s the International Energy Agency on SUVs. https://www.iea.org/commentaries/as-their-sales-continue-to-...

“People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can’t trust people Jeremy.” The popularity of SUVs is driven by a whole variety of factors. Eventually some of those factors will start to weaken. One of the factors is that many of the costs of SUVs are externalised.

Another factor is that car companies market SUVs heavily.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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post #83
post #68

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> Someone needs to develop tyres that are made of healthier materials. Good point. We certainly have the technology. Currently tyres are half natural rubber and half plastic. They could be made 100% rubber, perhaps with some drawbacks. Maybe an engineer can comment on that, I would be very interested to know why exactly the non natural rubber is needed. I know that Continental has a research project to make the natur…

I suspect that's partly due to the scale of land use that would be required for rubber plantations.

So it's a price issue? Well then the prices of tyres will go up, I don't see a fundamental problem here. This will also create a natural incentive to drive in a way that minimises wear on the tyres.

If it's a dandelion plantation it can be done in central Europe, for example.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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post #42

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There is no math behind it and its evidence is poor. Thats why: > The accuracy of the law of the fourth power is disputed among experts

A more extended quote: > When evaluating the series of tests, it was found that there is a connection between the thickness of the pavement, the number of load transfers and the axle load, and that these have a direct effect on the service life and condition of a road. The service life of the road is thereby reduced with approximately the fourth power of the axle load. > The accuracy of the law of the fourth power is…

Even if we give it a bit of slack and make it a third-power-law for taxation purposes, it would still mean a large increase in tax for heavy vehicles.

Or IOW, currently heavy vehicles are free-riding, with lighter vehicles providing much of the tax revenue to fix the damage the heavies are causing.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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post #39

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This is true. But I fear that this talking point will be used by lobbyists and pro-ICE fanatics to justify more climate damage than necessary.

The world is off ICEs now, no amount of lobbying is going to convince people they’re a good idea going forwards.

> The world is off ICEs now

How is it off ICE? It's slowly moving in the right direction, but very slowly indeed. New ICE will be produced and sold even in Europe for another 10 years and afterwards they have a long lifetime.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

#90
post #25

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EVs are not really popular in my EU city because they require a dedicated parking space with a charger and most people live in an apartment with none of that.

At least in my city (in NL), there are a bunch of public electric chargers with the street parking around the city. It seems like almost 25% of spots are electric only in my neighborhood

NL is so far ahead of other countries that it's kind of ridiculous. I wish there was a way for average citizens from other places to get a sense of what is possible.
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