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Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

tiny EVs are going to be very popular in europe

EVs in Europe and the US are on the downward trend at the moment. I’m not entirely sure why, maybe they are still too expensive.

For the downvoters, look it up - this is objectively true and has been well reported.

And I’m not saying don’t buy an electric car, just that EV sales have decreased.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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post #14

Actually they voted for tripling the cost of heavy vehicles. The size is not even mentioned. It's a shortsighted move, since it incentives using gasoline cars in cities and disincentivies Hybrid and even EVs due to their weight. There is nothing in the rules specific to SUVs.

Actually only EVs above 2 Metric Tons are concerned, which is fair IMO.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

tiny EVs are going to be very popular in europe

I agree but it's an interesting problem, things like parking spaces and roads will still have to be made to the size of largest vehicle that will use them and I imagine more cars in the same amount of road will lead to even more traffic.

No. There are buses, trucks and vans on the road but not everything is made based on them. In many parking spots you can't park full size vans - and vans are quite popular.

In Europe, if you're driving a huge North American truck (which some people do) your parking options are very very limited. We don't build everything for their sizes only because there's some of them on the road.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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Why a tonnage limit for electric vehicles. It's obviously not entirely for GHG reasons. 2T is not all that heavy for EVs.

Weight is the best way to tax vehicles. It correlates to the amount of energy needed to move it, generally with the size of the vehicle, and highly with the particulate pollution from brakes and tyres (yes I'm aware of regenerative braking), as well as the amount of wear and tear on the roads and infrastructure, etc. European cities were never built for large vehicles, we should be going towards smaller vehicles, a F…

While I agree entirely I just wanna correct you for a bit:

The Gross Vehicle Weight (GVWR)refers to the maximum weight a vehicle is designed to carry including the net weight of the vehicle with accessories, plus the weight of passengers, fuel, and cargo, which is indeed a hefty 3375 kg.

The Weight Unladen (EU) is still a ridiculous 2810 kg for the EQS SUV 580 4matic

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weight is the best way to tax vehicles. It correlates to the amount of energy needed to move it, generally with the size of the vehicle, and highly with the particulate pollution from brakes and tyres (yes I'm aware of regenerative braking), as well as the amount of wear and tear on the roads and infrastructure, etc. European cities were never built for large vehicles, we should be going towards smaller vehicles, a F…

While I agree entirely I just wanna correct you for a bit: The Gross Vehicle Weight (GVWR)refers to the maximum weight a vehicle is designed to carry including the net weight of the vehicle with accessories, plus the weight of passengers, fuel, and cargo, which is indeed a hefty 3375 kg. The Weight Unladen (EU) is still a ridiculous 2810 kg for the EQS SUV 580 4matic

thanks, I did wonder if I was making a fair comparison

I won't edit, as your correction is clear and the context would remain

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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post #24

As a person with SUV and big family in Paris, I suggest we do the same with obese people and public transport - now that my kids will need to use it more frequently while paying more for sq ft.

I'd agree that families have the best reason for larger vehicles given how public transport can be difficult for buggies ect.

An interesting intersection of gov trying to encourage families could be used here to offer a tax-relief on people that carpool (which'd by default therefore include families)?

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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post #17
post #14

Actually they voted for tripling the cost of heavy vehicles. The size is not even mentioned. It's a shortsighted move, since it incentives using gasoline cars in cities and disincentivies Hybrid and even EVs due to their weight. There is nothing in the rules specific to SUVs.

Tyre dust, break dust, there are other forms of pollution we need to eradicate / reduce.

This is true. But I fear that this talking point will be used by lobbyists and pro-ICE fanatics to justify more climate damage than necessary.

Re: Parisians vote in favour of tripling parking costs for SUVs

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post #23
post #14

Actually they voted for tripling the cost of heavy vehicles. The size is not even mentioned. It's a shortsighted move, since it incentives using gasoline cars in cities and disincentivies Hybrid and even EVs due to their weight. There is nothing in the rules specific to SUVs.

No, people can use a small EV. I am not even sure using a large EV is better than a small ICE once you take into account other forms of pollution, road damage, congestion (which increases pollution as well as other effects) and safety issues.

Sure they can. But currently using an ICE is cheaper than using an EV and they have made it more like this.

> I am not even sure using a large EV is better than a small ICE once you take into account other forms of pollution, road damage, congestion

Where did I mention large EV? I'm mentioning a normal EV and comparing that to an equally sized ICE. Why would anyone compare a large EV with a small ICE? It's a strange and dishonest comparison.

Large cars are not significantly longer (they are higher and fatter) and congestions does not occur due to this car size. Cars need to keep a large distance between each other for safety. Even a small ICE car will very quickly emit more than the production of an average EV car ever could.

In a city there is the added benefit that EVs are silent and do not emit locally which matters.

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