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Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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> Piracy also threatens to damage our business, as its fundamental proposition to consumers is so compelling and difficult to compete against: virtually all content for free,” Netflix writes. People emphasize the "free" part, but it really is the "all content" part that makes piracy wins. Especially if you are not in the USA, often specific content isn't available at any price. Even if it is, its split across 5 billi…

Steam really did this for games for me and somehow hasn't stopped working for me yet. Maybe Netflix should ask themselves how Steam competes with bootlegs and what they might do like it.

The problem with Netflix is that many studios saw how profitable Netflix is and wanted their share, so they stopped licencing content to Netflix and opened their own services.

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> Spotify is not profitable Their stock value doubled in the last year Their CEO Daniel Ek is worth 3.7 billion dollar.

Both of those numbers are not profit numbers.

I wouldn't want to be involved in a company that isn't turning a profit.

But, in fairness, this is an industry that is adjacent to Hollywood. It is conceivable that they have some sort of weird profit-laundering scheme going to make sure not too much of the money goes back to the artists or something.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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> About 500-ish MB per hour of content for decent quality. That's still YIFY-quality video, which is a few steps below HBO/MAX, which happens to be among the lowest quality paid streams. ATV+ is killing it with 30Mbps 4K HDR+ video (it used to be as high as 48Mbps). Disney+ is close. The Netflix 4K plan serves up high 1080p bitrates, 2x better than their 1080p plan. Worth paying for.

> That's still YIFY-quality video, which is a few steps below HBO/MAX, which happens to be among the lowest quality paid streams. You don't necessarily have to pick YIFY. Qxr's uploads are a much better comparison. x265 encoded 1080p (with 5 - 6.5Mbps bitrate) from the highest quality sources and they look very good even on 55" 4K panels.

Are these, like, famous pirates or something?

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). Streaming is no longer easier than piracy, why pay for 8 different services and have to waste your time figuring out whats on what when you can just have one service for free, even if its illegal, and have it all under one roof. The services have taken the piss and now they'll get…

> The services have taken the piss and now they'll get the repercussions of it. Whose fault is it really that all content is not available on a single service? It's nobody's fault, it was inevitable given how things work. How could you "fix" it? You'd need legislation saying that all content must be made available for licensing at the same price for every service. But that's not enough, because why would HBO sell the…

It's type of licensing called FRAND. Has been utilized with success.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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There is no security inside the HDMI cable itself. It's an HDCP negotiation between the source and the sink which occurs over an i2c serial bus along the pair of DDC pins. You may be able to get away with just an HDMI dummy plug: https://www.amazon.com/4K-HDMI-Dummy-Plug-3840x2160/dp/B07FB... I'm not sure if these dummy plugs handle HDCP. If not you can use one in combination with this splitter: https://www.amazon.co…

> You may be able to get away with just an HDMI dummy plug Or, you can just pirate it and not have to put up with any of this BS.

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Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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I mean, stealing is always easier than paying for something.

I'm sure you yourself can come up with counter-examples for that.

And, furthermore, piracy isn't stealing. It is a major point here that the initial owner of the thing still possesses the thing.

They're trying to assert some unnatural right of control over what other people do. It isn't even all that clear why this is a good idea. I can see how it makes sense for legislators because of the presumably significant kickbacks they get from lobbyists; but there is a still an open question of whether this is a good system. It looks like it has had a big negative impact on our ability to sustain a shared culture. If people have to buy in to a culture, a bunch of people won't.

People still can't freely distribute Lord of the Rings for example. That isn't helping to get people reading it. J.R.R Tolkien has been dead for a while. Anything less famous than that has little chance to stick.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). Streaming is no longer easier than piracy, why pay for 8 different services and have to waste your time figuring out whats on what when you can just have one service for free, even if its illegal, and have it all under one roof. The services have taken the piss and now they'll get…

> The services have taken the piss and now they'll get the repercussions of it. Whose fault is it really that all content is not available on a single service? It's nobody's fault, it was inevitable given how things work. How could you "fix" it? You'd need legislation saying that all content must be made available for licensing at the same price for every service. But that's not enough, because why would HBO sell the…

There was a wonderful point made by Gabe Newell a few years ago on this. He said the only thing you need to do to “beat piracy” is provide a better service than piracy offers. And that’s pretty easy, for all manner of reasons. I thought he was way too optimistic at the time - but here I am years later with hundreds of games in my steam library. I haven’t pirated a video game in years.

I think Gabe’s rule is like gravity. It’s inconvenient for space travel, but what are you gonna do? You don’t get to space by complaining about it.

It’s the same in streaming. All the streaming platforms need to do is provide a service that’s better than piracy. And I really do feel for the streaming platforms here. That seems like a hard ask for them. Netflix rarely has content I want to watch any more. Shows I do want to watch are often on a different competing service. And they often remove shows and movies from the platform that I might have otherwise enjoyed. Im not subscribing to multiple streaming platforms at once - that’s ridiculous. I’m not surprised they’re complaining about piracy - they’re rapidly becoming a worse service than piracy and gabe’s law is kicking in for them.

But at the end of the day, like space companies, complain if you want but it’s not my problem to fix. And there are plenty of fixes - make it easy to have a grab bag of streaming services which swaps streaming provider every month. Or give me access to every platform for my $10 and distribute the money based on what I actually watched.

I dunno. Figure it out. Or don’t, and watch piracy eat your lunch. Your call, Netflix.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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I have one point which I really feel exemplifies the entire Netflix experience: before you sign up, they do not give you a list of what's available to watch. Seriously, check out their website. It's basically a landing page which says "give us your money". The prices aren't even displayed. There is no list of shows, save for a few measly screenshots of featured/well-known titles. There is a search box which lets you…

They could show you, but that's no guarantee of anything. They rotate their content, and presumable the studios pull their content off. If they have movie X today, there's no assurance that it'll be there next week. It's a subscription to a service, not to specific content. I don't see how it could be any other way. Netflix could definitely make it easier to see what is on now , though. Amazon has a much larger catal…

> They rotate their content, and presumable the studios pull their content off. If they have movie X today, there's no assurance that it'll be there next week.

That's also why I think piracy will always win, the studios are just too greedy to make it work.

When you do a rug pull on a show just even once, you lost some legal customers forever instantly, those people will have a tainted view of the platform.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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post #315

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There is no security inside the HDMI cable itself. It's an HDCP negotiation between the source and the sink which occurs over an i2c serial bus along the pair of DDC pins. You may be able to get away with just an HDMI dummy plug: https://www.amazon.com/4K-HDMI-Dummy-Plug-3840x2160/dp/B07FB... I'm not sure if these dummy plugs handle HDCP. If not you can use one in combination with this splitter: https://www.amazon.co…

The GP was trying to play back Amazon DRM content via AirPlay, so HDMI/HDCP should only be relevant to the "last-mile" connection between the AirPlay receiver and an external display (so, if the receiver is a Mac laptop's internal display or a smart TV, not at all). AFAIK, DRM video playback over AirPlay only works from within iOS apps that explicitly support AirPlay[1], not via generic iOS/macOS screen mirroring. [1…

That's true but my reply was solely to ladzoppelin where they seem to need to have an HDCP-compliant display connected. I was just offering an option besides a 25 ft HDMI cable.

Re: Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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> Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy We never stole (cute word pirated) anything. We became cordcutters (OTA and streaming) because we felt we weren't using but maybe $20 of the $180 monthly we were paying to cable. We became cordcutters in 2013. We never stole (cute word pirated) anything.

"Stole" isn't the right word either. Pirating does not deprive any legal entity of ownership. It's merely copyright infringement. It also likely circumvented access controls, thereby running afoul of DMCA. But it is not theft. I'm speaking as someone who also never pirates. I'd rather not watch something and spend my time doing something else.

It is absolutely theft, nobody is falling for that semantics argument - you're depriving a rights holder of revenue that they would otherwise gained.
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