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Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growing rapidly

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Post by data-ottawa »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #213
PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #9

Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). Streaming is no longer easier than piracy, why pay for 8 different services and have to waste your time figuring out whats on what when you can just have one service for free, even if its illegal, and have it all under one roof. The services have taken the piss and now they'll get…

Honestly if Apple integrated Netflix and all those other services into a unified UI for Apple TV that transparently lets you go between the apps without realizing it (they do own the OS...) it would be exactly what I want to see happen to these streaming services, that or they somehow share their content to the official Apple TV app itself, and let Apple TV query across all those other streaming apps, it would be gre…

That would be great, with the caveat that if a service cannot provide content for your account, it will not be shown in the search results.

Prime is the worst offender of this, but having Crave and Bell TV app installed on an AppleTV means any search returns a result, but you can't watch any of them without buying another subscription to a "channel" they offer.

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Post by irishloop »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #216

The simple solution is that we need a spotify of all movies.

Netflix tried to do this, but then studios wanted a piece of the pie, so they all spun up their own streaming services and then stopped licensing to their competitors.

Also, artists make virtually no money with Spotify, so it "works" for the consumer, but does it work for the artists?

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Post by Dylan16807 »

emporas wrote: post #231
jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #168

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Kick isn't really a streaming site, it's a front started by the Stake bitcoin casino after Twitch changed policy to ban streaming bitcoin slots. Stake had been handing out huge contracts to major streamers to show themselves having fun gambling on Stake, particularly xQc and TrainwreksTV. These streamers would act as if they were betting with their own money, including getting into six figure bets, without being clea…

I didn't know any of that stuff, thanks for sharing. Casinos and betting literally disgust me, but given that in a handful of years, every person on the planet will have his own personal stock and bond market, i wonder how one can differentiate betting from investing. A saying i usually repeat to people, is that in the future, i.e. in a handful of years, everyone will be a billionaire for fifteen minutes.

> every person on the planet will have his own personal stock and bond market

I have no idea what you're talking about.

> i wonder how one can differentiate betting from investing

The biggest clue is how long you're going to hold ownership. If it's years, then it's almost certainly investing.

> A saying i usually repeat to people, is that in the future, i.e. in a handful of years, everyone will be a billionaire for fifteen minutes.

Wha? Wouldn't most people cash out? Then most people are billionaires permanently? How does this work?

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Post by noahtallen »

bo1024 wrote: post #124
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #27

The streaming space desperately needs consolidation right now. Every rights holder having their own service has killed a lot of the convenience because you'll now need several different services to go through an entire TV show, for instance. And also because all services other than maybe Netflix have garbage software for your various devices. Because every service also has to support 8 different platforms. Video play…

Consolidation, or interoperability. Somehow any radio station can play any song they want (or seemingly any), for a standardized set of fees. And there is plenty of competition among radio stations. Couldn't we get the same setup for on-demand streaming of music and video?

It kind of exists for renting/buying. If a movie is available to rent digitally, it’s normally on multiple platforms.

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Post by inversetelecine »

selcuka wrote: post #164
mhss wrote: post #153

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> Streaming became popular because it was easier than piracy and better than TV (watch anywhere, on demand, pickup where you left off etc). I think you overestimate how "easy" piracy is for the average user. Netflix revenue keeps growing (and subscribers), despite the "crackdown" on password sharing that many predicted would cause massive cancellations.

> I think you overestimate how "easy" piracy is for the average user. Netflix revenue keeps growing [...] According to TFA piracy is also growing rapidly, so it's apparently easy enough. You may be thinking of usenet, torrenting, seedboxes etc. when it comes to piracy, but there are also (ad supported) public web sites where you can watch almost any content, or IPTV providers where you can pay a yearly fee and watch…

The number of 'normies' who talk about torrenting casually is a decent amount. Most at least know what it is. If not, they "have a guy" they get media from.

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Post by xbmcuser »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #261
nerdix wrote: post #209

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Also, H265 encoded 1080p is hitting the sweet spot between quality and file size. About 500-ish MB per hour of content for decent quality. Its sort of like when VBR encoded MP3s became the standard in the privacy scene in the early 00s. The quality is good enough for most folks plus the reduced file size means that it downloads really fast on average connections and isn't prohibitively expensive to store so you can c…

If we're looking at the storage cost, I'd say the 10x decrease in flash price is doing a lot more than the maybe-2x decrease in file size.

Few people are building flash nas though the price pressure from flash storage on hdd prices did play a big part. Before flash storage prices started pushing pressure on hdd prices per tb larger drives had become more expensive than smaller drives. We are I think just 3-4 years away from 8tb SSD being cheaper than hdd for me that is the point where we will have mass SSD adoption for Nas drives.

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Post by inversetelecine »

ensignavenger wrote: post #29
bawolff wrote: post #10

> Piracy also threatens to damage our business, as its fundamental proposition to consumers is so compelling and difficult to compete against: virtually all content for free,” Netflix writes. People emphasize the "free" part, but it really is the "all content" part that makes piracy wins. Especially if you are not in the USA, often specific content isn't available at any price. Even if it is, its split across 5 billi…

Not only free and all (most), but less hassle, too. A pirate doesn't need to worry about digital restrictions if they haven't upgraded their TV, HDMI cables, and streaming boxes, web broweswers, etc. to all support whatever BS the the big streaming providers are pushing.

No time wasting intros, warnings, etc. Double click the file, and enjoy.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

SirMaster wrote: post #116
AltF4me wrote: post #47

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It's not fragmented like video is. You go to your favourite music streaming platform and listen. You don't need to check all 10 services you pay for to work out if the artist is available on it.

Right, but why is it that way? How did they manage to consolidate all music into 1 service and why can't or won't that work for video?

Music downloads became viable a lot earlier, and so the companies are a decade+ ahead on the dealing with sharing angle.

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

MostlyStable wrote: post #134
heavyset_go wrote: post #123

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I think the cable TV model was a mature business model for extracting the most amount of value possible from paying viewers before they choose to leave. Every streaming service will converge to what cable TV is like: paid channels, maximum amount of ads, additional premium content, attempts at lock-in, exclusive licensing of content, etc. Not adopting the cable business model is leaving billions of dollars on the tab…

I'm curious where the equilibrium is. There is some portion of people who will not torrent no matter what. Either because of lack of ability or moral views, or some other reason. There is a second set of the population that will never pay for media, or at least not more than very trivial amounts. Either because of lack of ability to pay, not thinking it's worth it, or not believing there is anything wrong with piracy…

Group three depends on means, motive, and opportunity.
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