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Wasn't this ruled several times already in other trials? How many times does this have to be proven in Court before the other judges start throwing away such cases?
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Photos of speed cameras often have the drivers faces visible, unless covered up - at least here in Norway. So yeah, the license plate doesn't identify a person, but at least it makes finding the right person easier if there's a dispute.
In the UK if you get caught speeding/running a red light by a camera, the ticket gets sent to the registered owner of the car. You can either take the ticket, or tell them who was driving. You cannot say 'it wasn't me, but I won't tell you who it was'. It is also a serious criminal offence to take speeding points on someone else's behalf (as it was suggested that government minister Chris Huhne asked his wife to)
In Sweden a clear photo of the driver is required for anyone to be fined.
I believe this is similar reasoning to why a lot of states have made red light cameras and speed cameras illegal. The owner of the car is not necessarily the person who was driving at the time, and it was the driver (not the car) who broke the law.
While I understand that today there are potential problems, it seems to me that a person ought to be responsible with what's done with his property. If he lets someone use his gun, he's got some degree of responsibility, and if he lets someone use his communication facilities, he's assuming some as well. Today this is difficult, since the average person doesn't have a clue how to set up a secure network. But this is…
So is an Internet Cafe responsible for what all its patrons do? Is Verizon responsible for everyone who buys bandwidth from them?
Does this reasoning work when I don't want to pay for the pay-per-call calls I made on my phone?
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In the UK if you get caught speeding/running a red light by a camera, the ticket gets sent to the registered owner of the car. You can either take the ticket, or tell them who was driving. You cannot say 'it wasn't me, but I won't tell you who it was'. It is also a serious criminal offence to take speeding points on someone else's behalf (as it was suggested that government minister Chris Huhne asked his wife to)
What if you don't know who drove it? (you might have borrowed it to a few friends but don't know who drove it when) In Sweden a clear photo of the driver is required for anyone to be fined.
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In the UK if you get caught speeding/running a red light by a camera, the ticket gets sent to the registered owner of the car. You can either take the ticket, or tell them who was driving. You cannot say 'it wasn't me, but I won't tell you who it was'. It is also a serious criminal offence to take speeding points on someone else's behalf (as it was suggested that government minister Chris Huhne asked his wife to)
What if you don't know who drove it? (you might have borrowed it to a few friends but don't know who drove it when) In Sweden a clear photo of the driver is required for anyone to be fined.
As someone else touched on: in most states of Australia, the owner of the vehicle (as per the registration) is responsible. If you "don't know" who was driving your car it doesn't matter-you are responsible for the vehicle unless you have reported it stolen. Which I think is fair: if you're going to lend your car out, make sure you trust the person driving it.
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What if you don't know who drove it? (you might have borrowed it to a few friends but don't know who drove it when) In Sweden a clear photo of the driver is required for anyone to be fined.
At that point isn't it more of a concern that the supposed completely random person driving your car isn't insured? Personal responsibility rules kick in before then.
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What if you don't know who drove it? (you might have borrowed it to a few friends but don't know who drove it when) In Sweden a clear photo of the driver is required for anyone to be fined.
At that point isn't it more of a concern that the supposed completely random person driving your car isn't insured? Personal responsibility rules kick in before then.
Sure, I could ask who was driving but I wouldn't know if they for some reason were lying.
And wait, what? Why should the owner care if the driver is insured? The vehicle is insured by the owner, as required by the law.
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Photos of speed cameras often have the drivers faces visible, unless covered up - at least here in Norway. So yeah, the license plate doesn't identify a person, but at least it makes finding the right person easier if there's a dispute.
In the UK if you get caught speeding/running a red light by a camera, the ticket gets sent to the registered owner of the car. You can either take the ticket, or tell them who was driving. You cannot say 'it wasn't me, but I won't tell you who it was'. It is also a serious criminal offence to take speeding points on someone else's behalf (as it was suggested that government minister Chris Huhne asked his wife to)