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Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by kosolam »

dang wrote: post #158
TheCoreh wrote: post #36

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At a quick glance, I found several that don't match that criteria you mention, here are a few: Open Source Doesn't Require Providing Builds https://codeengineered.com/blog/2024/open-source-not-builds/ Sam Altman Says AI Using Too Much Energy Will Require Breakthrough Energy Source https://futurism.com/sam-altman-energy-breakthrough Avoid Async Rust at All Cost https://blog.hugpoint.tech/avoid_async_rust.html (Perhaps…

The first two you listed were downranked by the flamewar detector. The last one was downranked by users. Admins didn't touch any of them. Note for everybody: can you guys please include the HN /item link if you're mentioning specific threads? That would be much more efficient and that way I can answer many more of people's questions.

Why don’t you make the system transparent? This will save you a lot of effort answering questions.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by tptacek »

throwaway665544 wrote: post #179
23B1 wrote: post #151

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I think you're probably generally correct, but "blaming the algorithm" sure smells to me like a whole lot of camouflage for censorship, which we ought to know by now has as much to do with 'quality' as it does 'shaping the narrative' Generally speaking HN is a good site and a case study in successful community moderation, but you have to wonder 'who's watching the watchers' these days as the Overton window on free sp…

The simple solution would be to display a log of all removed/flagged/shadowbanned posts and comments, like Wikipedia does.

Preventing the site from being taken over by incessant meta debates is one of the moderation goals of the site.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

(In many places there, obviously a lot of that is about Meta the company).

Periodic threads like this one are, I think, allowed as a sort of escape valve for pent up meta energy. Emph. on "periodic".

If you want a site that makes the opposite call here, Lobsters has a public mod log. You might like that system better!

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by [deleted] »

fragmede wrote: post #193
mandmandam wrote: post #184

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There are stories on this list that deserved to be seen, were popular, were important, and were not in fact dumpster fires in the comments - but a particular crowd with a particular bias decided to flag them. Example 1: https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=39142094 Example 2: https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=39130652 Example 3: https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=39214844 Does this crowd think…

There's a certain element that doesn't want to discuss politics at all, so I imagine these ran afoul of that crowd. This is a tech-oriented site, and we're not going to come up with a Middle East peace plan in the comments.

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Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by 23B1 »

nullindividual wrote: post #214
23B1 wrote: post #151

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I think you're probably generally correct, but "blaming the algorithm" sure smells to me like a whole lot of camouflage for censorship, which we ought to know by now has as much to do with 'quality' as it does 'shaping the narrative' Generally speaking HN is a good site and a case study in successful community moderation, but you have to wonder 'who's watching the watchers' these days as the Overton window on free sp…

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I don't care if its a right-wing talking point and I don't care if a company has given themselves permission to censor themselves.

My interest is broadly about the attitudes towards speech as they continue to be shaped by corporations who continue to privatize the public square. See Taibbi's 'Twitter Files' for ample examples.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by tptacek »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #264
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #254

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> There are a lot of comments in this thread thanking “the mods” and I didn’t realize there was a mod team cultivating the front page. IMO this happens because fundamentally people have "The reddit mental model" about how moderation works here, as if moderation is some privileged, limited position. It's just wrong. Yes, there is dang, the single admin who posts publicly, and I guess it's possible/probable there are o…

> IMO this happens because fundamentally people have "The reddit mental model" about how moderation works here, as if moderation is some privileged, limited position. It's just wrong. Partially, but I think these are all symptoms for a more fundamental root cause: HN is just comprised of too many emotional, passionate users with fundamentally differing beliefs. The usual song and dance with flagging goes something li…

It has always been the case and is in fact the stated premise of the site that it's barely held together in a cohesive community. The original mission statement was "see how long we can fend off Eternal September". So that's not alarming; it's how things are supposed to be. I suppose a perfectly stabilized cohesive community would be worrying, a sign that the site is staling.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by formerly_proven »

paulnpace wrote: post #251
throwaway665544 wrote: post #174

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If you have nothing to hide, why not make all story and comment removal history publicly visible, like Wikipedia edits.

Wikipedia can and does vaporize edits.

I don't think revdel can actually fully delete a revision, there's always at least a revision entry left, perhaps with no user name or summary.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by lukan »

mandmandam wrote: post #259
fragmede wrote: post #193

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There's a certain element that doesn't want to discuss politics at all, so I imagine these ran afoul of that crowd. This is a tech-oriented site, and we're not going to come up with a Middle East peace plan in the comments.

> This is a tech-oriented site Exactly. Big tech has been staggeringly complicit in these oh-so documented war crimes. For example, AI is being used to 'target' people, even in refugee camps and residential areas; even when hundreds of civilian casualties are predicted. This has been admitted - even boasted about. As tech people, we can't just stick our heads in the sand and expect this not to come back on us. We're…

"We are legally bound as a nation"

"We" ain't all americans. There are people here coming from opposing sides in various wars. And there are more wars and slaughtering going on, than in the middle east. And "we" are just tech people. Not better or worse by principle, which shows off very easily as there can be religious flame wars about software already. So it would be good, if we could debate all this in a nice way. But apparently we cannot. This is why many people want NO politics here at all. As there is usually nothing coming out of it, except more of the usual - and not interesting discussions.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by nextaccountic »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #230
CamperBob2 wrote: post #161

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(Shrug) I don't require scientific proof of the inverse-square law. It's self-evident to the point of being axiomatic. Standing 6 feet away from a virus source will expose you to about 44% fewer virus particles than standing 5 feet away from one, while not imposing any real hardships in most public interaction scenarios. What's controversial about that? If you demand precise scientific rigor in all aspects of everyda…

The same with masks: Put a water hose on mist and spray someone with it. Then put a cloth over the nozzle and try to spray them. It's self evident yet people just could not grasp it.

Are you saying that face masks are not effective?

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by jay_kyburz »

felixgallo wrote: post #237
BobaFloutist wrote: post #168

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Personally, I thought it was already pretty well established that the six-foot rule was based on poor science. I remember hearing about that years ago.

The thing is, you're not even wrong. The six foot rule was based on what the best understanding of the experts was at the time, and probably saved thousands of lives. Just like forced masking up probably saved tens of thousands of lives. Both were great examples of science, which readily admits to tuning when new evidence comes into play. However, because there's a right wing cult around Donald Trump, whose fortunes…

omg, even talking about the flagging is going to trigger the flamewar :)
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