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Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by Symbiote »

mandmandam wrote: post #184
lolinder wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is accurate, per dang's comment on the Gary Tan thread the other day: > We didn't flag the post; users did. When it comes to submissions, that's nearly always the case - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html . https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39169622

There are stories on this list that deserved to be seen, were popular, were important, and were not in fact dumpster fires in the comments - but a particular crowd with a particular bias decided to flag them. Example 1: https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=39142094 Example 2: https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=39130652 Example 3: https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=39214844 Does this crowd think…

None of the is on-topic for HN.

The initial invasion was allowed due to the international significance, but to discuss subsequent events head to Reddit.

This is in the FAQ linked in the footer.

Something novel with drones or new medicine or similar will be on topic.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by verticalscaler »

tptacek wrote: post #192
verticalscaler wrote: post #183

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I think this sort of thing taken to the limit will cut every which way until eventually we run out of subjects and the overton window shrinks into an overton dot.

We've been running this system for something like a decade now, I think we know how it's going to converge.

I don't. I'd like to know however! Do tell!

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by sdsd »

saagarjha wrote: post #154
jjackson5324 wrote: post #138

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Um, have you seen the price of bitcoin? Or the Bitcoin ETF? What are you talking about lol.

No because most people stopped talking about it

Yeah, people on HN.

I'm tutoring a friend's homeschool kids (who live in the US, I'm in Central America) in Spanish and the mom couldn't set up Payoneer so yesterday she asked if I'd accept bitcoin.

I'm an Urbiter and everyone in that scene is all about crypto.

It's still big but you're right, it's more confined to specific niches, instead of MSNBC talking about NFTs

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by bitcharmer »

elpocko wrote: post #78
TheCoreh wrote: post #36

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At a quick glance, I found several that don't match that criteria you mention, here are a few: Open Source Doesn't Require Providing Builds https://codeengineered.com/blog/2024/open-source-not-builds/ Sam Altman Says AI Using Too Much Energy Will Require Breakthrough Energy Source https://futurism.com/sam-altman-energy-breakthrough Avoid Async Rust at All Cost https://blog.hugpoint.tech/avoid_async_rust.html (Perhaps…

The things you see on HN are not purely decided by the community. Mods can and do "freeze" the vote count on comments and posts, and do other non-obvious things too. You will notice the effect after participating for a while.

Exactly, the front page is heavily moderated. Almost every day you'll see posts with 50+ upvotes falling of the front page within an hour or two when some article about LISP with It's disingenuous to blame it on the users when there are clearly other "forces" at play here.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by petsfed »

gnicholas wrote: post #53

I’ve wanted something like this for years. My top requests would be to offer this as a standalone separate site, with sorting in reverse chron order, and an easy way to click into the comments for each story. Right now I can click into the info for the link, and to the outlink, but there doesn’t appear to be a one-click path to the HN comments themselves.

I'm honestly not sure if that's a bad thing. To an extent, it seems like reddit's "sort by controversial". If you're looking for a flamewar, here you go.

It's interesting to see the comments sometimes, but since part of the reason these things get removed is because of the flamewar detector, I feel like I can't be that surprised or edified when I open the bag labeled "manure" to find it is full of shit.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by AlbertCory »

wtallis wrote: post #149
AlbertCory wrote: post #114

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Are you asserting that, if the title had remained "Anthony Fauchi [sic] Fesses Up" it would have remained, unflagged? Maybe you should Submit it again with the original title, and see what happens.

If it had been submitted with that title, it would simply have been harder to pretend there's wasn't plenty of reason for the submission to be flagged.

What reasons would those be?

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by nathanyz »

dang wrote: post #133

> The assumption is that a Story cannot go from the top 30 to a position higher than 90 in a single minute, without having been explicitly removed. That's wrong. Both the flamewar detector (a.k.a. the overheated discussion detector) and user flags do that, and there are other software mechanisms that do it too. For example, if a story has been on the front page for more than (IIRC) 18 hours, it gets an automatic down…

How do you keep user flags from being used as a way to squash articles on a particular topic before they have had the chance to be exposed to the wider HN community?

Meaning if someone were to theoretically get a real time feed of HN submissions, and flagged articles that they didn't want seen as well as messaging a group of friends to do the same thing. Do you have protections for this type of behavior that would prevent this person from having undue influence on what can and cannot have a chance at being seen by others?

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by tptacek »

verticalscaler wrote: post #202
tptacek wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've been running this system for something like a decade now, I think we know how it's going to converge.

I don't. I'd like to know however! Do tell!

It converges to the front page we have now, which, while imperfect, seems to be to the liking of the community, such that stories like this carry a bunch of comments about how happy they are about moderation here, and how about how few if any of the stories getting yeeted from the front page are things they even want to see on HN.

HN does not have to be a space for conversations about every important story. It is enough for it to be good at the conversations it is good at. There's a whole wide internet out there for the rest of the important conversations to take place on. Moreover: that has always been the premise of HN; it's not a principle we just sort of slipped into accidentally.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by rhaksw »

dang wrote: post #139

I don't have a problem with users building things like this because the principles by which HN works are all easy enough to explain and defend—just remember that anything this complex is inevitably a mess, so you need to have high tolerance for messiness if you want to understand it accurately. However, it's important to correct inaccuracies like the one mentioned here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39231537 .…

> Robin89, can you please fix the text? know that was just a mistaken good-faith assumption but it's super wrong.

How can he/we verify it's wrong? The down-weighting you describe is not visible to users. Even OP won't know.

You can say that down-weighting happens, but we're asking to see where down-weighting happens.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

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Post by z7 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #84
TheCoreh wrote: post #36

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At a quick glance, I found several that don't match that criteria you mention, here are a few: Open Source Doesn't Require Providing Builds https://codeengineered.com/blog/2024/open-source-not-builds/ Sam Altman Says AI Using Too Much Energy Will Require Breakthrough Energy Source https://futurism.com/sam-altman-energy-breakthrough Avoid Async Rust at All Cost https://blog.hugpoint.tech/avoid_async_rust.html (Perhaps…

I don't agree with the GP at all. Most seem normal for the front page or the intellectual curiosity standard (I mean, personally I'd like a much higher standard, but I'm basing it on what HN already has). All from only one day: * Ford's new 48-inch digital dashboard is a lot of Android for one car: https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/22/24045932/ford-android-scr... * Secret Plan Against Germany (a very big story in Germa…

Not sure why both submissions about work preferences were flagged:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39103328

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39103483

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