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Yeah, I can’t believe so many words are spilled in an article over such a nothing burger… well I can believe it but it’s sad. I’m just as much of a Tesla critic as anyone I’d say but this is really a reach.
If it's become as formal as a recall, it's worth at least noting. Sure, the fix is simple (and most folks won't even notice), but Tesla was still forced into making the fix.
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Can I use this at my dayjob? “Boss, it’s Friday… do we really want to recall our mobile version affecting all 10 million MAU?” But I just asked if we can make the fonts bigger on mobile?
Would your mobile app violate established safety standards?
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You are right. People seem to think a recall means “taking it in to get fixed”. But, a recall actually means the product has a dangerous defect that requires the manufacturer to promptly fix it for free otherwise the vehicle must be removed from the road. To better explain this we should use the term “dangerous defect” instead of “recall”. “Teslas contain another dangerous defect - affecting 2.2 million vehicles” doe…
You think a font being a few tenths of a millimeter off spec is a "dangerous defect" ? Let me guess... not a fan of Elon.
We need a term other than "recall" for minor software changes. The headline makes it sound like 2.2mm vehicles are going to be scheduling service appointments to fix this.
Yeah the word "recall" means "a public call by a manufacturer for the return of a product that may be defective or contaminated" or more plainly "a call to return". If you don't have to return the item somewhere then it isn't a "recall" by definition. An over-the-air software update is not a "recall". The terminology has to change. A "recall" is a typically an inconvenient event for the owners of a product -- this ai…
It has nothing to do with how the product is put together, how it functions, how it's used, whether it's software or hardware.
Whether a company voluntarily issues a recall, or a recall is issued through a regulatory body, it's a process that ultimately attempts to fix safety problems with products sold to consumers, but does so in a way that protects the company from being sued for the problem.
We need a term other than "recall" for minor software changes. The headline makes it sound like 2.2mm vehicles are going to be scheduling service appointments to fix this.
The easiest way to stay out of the news for recalls is to not sell a defective product. If these software recalls are so easy to fix, why isn’t Tesla fixing them before being forced to?
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You are right. People seem to think a recall means “taking it in to get fixed”. But, a recall actually means the product has a dangerous defect that requires the manufacturer to promptly fix it for free otherwise the vehicle must be removed from the road. To better explain this we should use the term “dangerous defect” instead of “recall”. “Teslas contain another dangerous defect - affecting 2.2 million vehicles” doe…
You think a font being a few tenths of a millimeter off spec is a "dangerous defect" ? Let me guess... not a fan of Elon.
As to the definition they are agreeing on, from the NHTSA website [1]:
“Initiated safety recalls require a manufacturer's action to announce and remedy the defects.
A recall is issued when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines that a vehicle, equipment, car seat, or tire creates an unreasonable safety risk or fails to meet minimum safety standards.”
Creating a unreasonable safety risk or failing to meet minimum safety standards is kind of the definition of dangerous. And there is a defect causing it. So, yes, Tesla claims it is a “dangerous defect” and I think Tesla knows more about their products being dangerous than you do.
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No, those aren’t the same thing. Tesla had to be forced to make their product safe by the regulator. If these updates are so easy and trivial in your mind, why doesn’t Tesla do them without being forced to?
They weren't forced https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCLRPT-24V051-2023.PDF "Tesla voluntarily made a recall determination."
It's not a "blow" to a company when they issue a recall, it's a legal shield that, though they'd rather never have needed to put up in the first place, are very happy to have when need arises.
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Yeah the word "recall" means "a public call by a manufacturer for the return of a product that may be defective or contaminated" or more plainly "a call to return". If you don't have to return the item somewhere then it isn't a "recall" by definition. An over-the-air software update is not a "recall". The terminology has to change. A "recall" is a typically an inconvenient event for the owners of a product -- this ai…
That is not what the word recall means. That is what you want it to mean. The governing body here is the NHTSA, here is their recall page where the term is defined. https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls >A recall is issued when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines that a vehicle, equipment, car seat, or tire creates an unreasonable safety risk or fails to meet minimum safety standards. Most decisions to conduct a recall and re…
The idea that the manufacturer can fix a minor safety issue without the owner of the vehicle having to do anything is relatively new.
The terminology is too broad now. It wasn't before, but it is now, because technology has changed.
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Yeah the word "recall" means "a public call by a manufacturer for the return of a product that may be defective or contaminated" or more plainly "a call to return". If you don't have to return the item somewhere then it isn't a "recall" by definition. An over-the-air software update is not a "recall". The terminology has to change. A "recall" is a typically an inconvenient event for the owners of a product -- this ai…
Where did you find that definition? The NHTSA definition doesn't have any mention of "returning" a product. They define it as "when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines that a vehicle, piece of equipment, car seat, or tire poses an unreasonable safety risk." It's entirely based on risk and a duty to the consumer. It's possible that you're leaning too heavily on the etymology of the word rather than the industry definit…
This required the manufacturer to "recall" the vehicle physically to be repaired, replaced, or returned. That's why they used that word. But clearly that isn't needed for all "recalls" anymore. For an over-the-air software update, the NHTSA should find a better word that doesn't imply the need to recall the vehicle somewhere.
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> At this point I swear publishing stories on Tesla "recalls" are hit pieces Normally I would agree, but this is the NYPost which is pretty friendly to conservatives(1). Maybe they attack Tesla because it's "green" tech but defend Elon in the context of Tesla/SpaceX? Just a guess as I'm not a regular reader. 1: https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
Most likely they just want clicks.