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Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

#101

Post by IshKebab »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #79
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I could, I'd hibernate until such time as I didn't have to hear about generative AI anymore.

It took about 10 years for the crypto headline hysteria to taper but it might have been only because ai is now the big annoying thing to shoehorn into everything. Monkeys pawl will curl and you will emerge out of your hibernation to more disgust at whatever the next annoying thing will be.

I think the difference is that AI is definitely useful and here to stay.

Crypto was mostly scams or pie in the sky ideas that will never work. It will stick around for money laundering & buying drugs but that's about it.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

#102

Post by isoprophlex »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #79
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I could, I'd hibernate until such time as I didn't have to hear about generative AI anymore.

It took about 10 years for the crypto headline hysteria to taper but it might have been only because ai is now the big annoying thing to shoehorn into everything. Monkeys pawl will curl and you will emerge out of your hibernation to more disgust at whatever the next annoying thing will be.

Also, it's very clear from the messaging and breathless hype that the NFT grifters packed uo their stuff and moved over en masse to the GenAI space

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

#103

Post by _cenw »

While I understand why "Secret Plan against Germany" - a story about Germany's far right planning "remigration" of even citizens - was removed, I still would've liked to see the part of the discussion that wouldn't have been arguing about the semantics of the term "nazi". This is the article that sparked a never seen before mobilization of demonstrators against these planners and their party in Germany.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

#104

Post by dang »

lars_francke wrote: post #10

> While I have no reason to doubt Daniel's good faith, it's hard to believe that HN users would be tired of LLM-related news. I am, so you can believe it. But: I don't flag things that I'm tired of.

> it's hard to believe that HN users would be tired of LLM-related news

For sure many are. This happens with every Major Ongoing Topic (MOT) and LLMs are way beyond a MOT [1]. The hivemind tires of repetition extremely quickly [2]. The trick is to try to separate wheat from chaff, where 'wheat' means the stories that bring Significant New Information (SNI) [3] and 'chaff' means the follow-up and copycat stories, which are legion [4].

It's important to understand are that there's a wide spectrum of opinion about this stuff. If you imagine a slider with "allow zero posts about $TOPIC" at one end, and "allow all posts about $TOPIC" at the other end, pretty much every user would slide it to a different position. This is true for every $TOPIC and especially for the biggest ones.

Frontpage space is the scarcest resource HN has [5] and every reader has a different 'signature' of preferences that they would like to see (or not see) there. This means not only that it's impossible to satisfy everybody, but that it's impossible to fully satisfy anybody—because nobody's 'signature' is perfectly matched on the front page, and (lest any of you be thinking of this quick riposte) certainly not the mods'!

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

[3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

[4] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

[5] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

#105

Post by giraffe_lady »

next_xibalba wrote: post #83
giraffe_lady wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th...

Tldr the answer is “2”. Not sure how posting a link where this info is buried is helpful.

Then downvote it, that's what the button is for! The other commenter said they were interested in a write up with more information than that one question. But hey, can't please everyone.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

#106

Post by tomrod »

jjackson5324 wrote: post #67
guhcampos wrote: post #14

> While I have no reason to doubt Daniel's good faith, it's hard to believe that HN users would be tired of LLM-related news Surprise! Yes, We are!

[flagged]

Eh, what I see popular on HN tends to be the trend 5 years down the line.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

#107

Post by dylan604 »

ryandrake wrote: post #35
dylan604 wrote: post #13

"While I have no reason to doubt Daniel's good faith, it's hard to believe that HN users would be tired of LLM-related news." If you believe that HN is a hive mind and all users must believe in the exact same things, then yes, this is probably hard to believe. I however, am tired of LLM news, but I just simply ignore them as I'm well aware that many people here are very much interested in them. So at least an anecdot…

That "While I have no reason" line has been quoted in six top-level comments so far, obviously it struck a nerve here. It would be ultra-cool to have rough topic filters here, so I could just go to settings and hit a checkbox to ignore all the LLM-this and AI-that articles. Easier said than done, I'm sure.

Any time you paint with a broad brush with comments like that, you're going to miss some of the details. Looking at the time stamps of those comments shows they were pretty much at the same time. I use the phrase "group think" a lot, but intentionally do it to in part rabble rouse, but also to get those in the group think to maybe think and take a second to question if it truly is group think behind their current position.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

#108

Post by dang »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #33
hubraumhugo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

dang has been doing a fantastic job for years now. How big is his team? What kind of tools are they using? Would love to read a writeup sometime, but I guess there are good reasons to keep this secret.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th...

sctb stopped working on HN in fall 2019, alas!

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

#109

Post by wolverine876 »

gwbas1c wrote: post #12

> I sent an email to the moderator. @dang, who was very kind and quick in his response, explained to me that the Story had been flagged by users even without being explicitly [flagged], and that he could therefore only hypothesize the causes of the flag. Maybe this is a consequence of Hacker News not having a way to downvote stories? I only flag stories that are blatant violation of HN's guidelines: SPAM, politics, r…

Where do you see that quote in the OP? I searched for it and didn't find it.

Re: Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated in real time

#110

Post by IshKebab »

jjackson5324 wrote: post #67
guhcampos wrote: post #14

> While I have no reason to doubt Daniel's good faith, it's hard to believe that HN users would be tired of LLM-related news Surprise! Yes, We are!

[flagged]

I fully expect AI to be huge in the future, and only get bigger.

Doesn't mean I want 50% of HN to be about AI.

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