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'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by mcv »

vidarh wrote: post #212
renewiltord wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, like a Che T-shirt doesn't mean you're endorsing the killing of political prisoners and stuff. Or that a George Washington statue endorses slavery. It's like a "you came at me but I'm going to beat you" lyric, not literally as Tupac meant it. Whatever, it's not intended to mean killing someone. But you have to be a colossal dumbfuck to say it like that to a bunch of people wise in the ways of the street pol…

Most people who see a Che t-shirt don't know who he was, only that his face shows up a lot. The problem isn't referencing something or someone, but doing so expecting those on the receiving end to know the reference and not take it at face value.

Yeah, I think there's a big difference between wearing Che's face, and posting a quote of Che where he ordered people to kill someone.

One, without context, is just a face. The other, without context, promotes murder. Context matters of course, but so does the actual quote itself without the context.

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by fzeroracer »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #196
bhawks wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that it is a quote (which I didn't know) moves it out of the extremely disturbing category and into the extremely cringe & very disappointing category. SF politics is a clown show on all sides - Garry has lost serious credibility that he could play some part in cleaning it up. I think he knows that.

To me, it's extremely disturbing that someone would consider this whole thing as extremely disturbing in the first place. Whether people in the US are extremely oversenstive to tweets and words, or that the tweets and words have the power to suddenly make regular people hateful and violent - neither of those states are normal . Either that, or the country really is a few Twitter sparks away from civil war, which agai…

If I as an employee emailed or tweeted at my CEO telling them to die slowly I would be fired immediately and for good reason.

It should absolutely be unacceptable behavior for any CEO to do something like this. If I can get fired for it, they damn well should too.

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by vidarh »

bun_terminator wrote: post #154
gurchik wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read HN probably more than I should, and I was pretty surprised to see this has over 500 comments and I didn't see it at all. Turns out it was only on the frontpage for 1 hr. https://hnrankings.info/39205676/

The only reasonable HN interface is hckrnews.com. The vanilla site is "moderated"

A lot of us come here because it is moderated.

There are plenty of unmoderated, or less moderated, places for if we want that chaos. Both have their place.

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by [deleted] »

renewiltord wrote: post #80
badrequest wrote: post #47

> Tan, for his part, apologized over the weekend, noting that his post was a reference to a Tupac Shakur lyric Ah, so if it's a quote, it doesn't matter, because even though you've decided when to use them, they're not "your words" Thanks, going to publish press releases with Cannibal Corpse lyrics going forward.

You know, like a Che T-shirt doesn't mean you're endorsing the killing of political prisoners and stuff. Or that a George Washington statue endorses slavery. It's like a "you came at me but I'm going to beat you" lyric, not literally as Tupac meant it. Whatever, it's not intended to mean killing someone. But you have to be a colossal dumbfuck to say it like that to a bunch of people wise in the ways of the street pol…

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Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by Rapzid »

card_zero wrote: post #189
cdchn wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were riffing on the idiom. You're taking the idiom too literally.

Like when Biff Tannen says "why don't you make like a tree and get outta here?", that kind of riffing on the idiom, riffing on it like that.

Too clever by 50%

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by romwell »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #196
bhawks wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that it is a quote (which I didn't know) moves it out of the extremely disturbing category and into the extremely cringe & very disappointing category. SF politics is a clown show on all sides - Garry has lost serious credibility that he could play some part in cleaning it up. I think he knows that.

To me, it's extremely disturbing that someone would consider this whole thing as extremely disturbing in the first place. Whether people in the US are extremely oversenstive to tweets and words, or that the tweets and words have the power to suddenly make regular people hateful and violent - neither of those states are normal . Either that, or the country really is a few Twitter sparks away from civil war, which agai…

>Either that, or the country really is a few Twitter sparks away from civil war, which again would... not be a normal state of things.

We're pretty much there, yup.

But stochastic terrosism[1] isn't a new or unique thing.

Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated after similar remarks were said by Netanyahu[2], which was arguably a pivoting point towards the war in Gaza we have today.

Public figures talking about specific people dying should always be treated seriously. It's not disturbing that we do.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin...

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by gadders »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #196
bhawks wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that it is a quote (which I didn't know) moves it out of the extremely disturbing category and into the extremely cringe & very disappointing category. SF politics is a clown show on all sides - Garry has lost serious credibility that he could play some part in cleaning it up. I think he knows that.

To me, it's extremely disturbing that someone would consider this whole thing as extremely disturbing in the first place. Whether people in the US are extremely oversenstive to tweets and words, or that the tweets and words have the power to suddenly make regular people hateful and violent - neither of those states are normal . Either that, or the country really is a few Twitter sparks away from civil war, which agai…

Words are literally violence. Haven't the last few years taught you anything? /sarcasm

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by romwell »

hackideiomat wrote: post #226
timmytokyo wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment seems to suggest that you're viewing this event from outside the US. If so, perhaps you're unaware of the dangerous and recent rise in violent political rhetoric here. Garry Tan is a prominent and powerful person in the tech industry, and his words carry weight. When he rips violent lyrics out of a hip-hop song and refashions them into a political rant, he's pouring more fuel on a fire that's starting to…

Well if you attack his friends, it's not okay, but if you go which death upon 'the leftists' he wouldn't say a thing, I bet

As the article says, a single leftist saying "millionaires should be guillotined" should be taken very seriously.

But him saying should "die slow" shuold be taken as just a joke, bro.

Hmmm.

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by gadders »

romwell wrote: post #236
TeMPOraL wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, it's extremely disturbing that someone would consider this whole thing as extremely disturbing in the first place. Whether people in the US are extremely oversenstive to tweets and words, or that the tweets and words have the power to suddenly make regular people hateful and violent - neither of those states are normal . Either that, or the country really is a few Twitter sparks away from civil war, which agai…

>Either that, or the country really is a few Twitter sparks away from civil war, which again would... not be a normal state of things. We're pretty much there, yup. But stochastic terrosism[1] isn't a new or unique thing. Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated after similar remarks were said by Netanyahu[2], which was arguably a pivoting point towards the war in Gaza we have today. Public figures talking about specific peopl…

"Stochastic Terrorism" sounds like a great way for politicians to prevent criticism.

Re: 'Stupid,' 'shameful:' Tech workers on Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan's rant

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Post by romwell »

ugh123 wrote: post #219
badrequest wrote: post #47

> Tan, for his part, apologized over the weekend, noting that his post was a reference to a Tupac Shakur lyric Ah, so if it's a quote, it doesn't matter, because even though you've decided when to use them, they're not "your words" Thanks, going to publish press releases with Cannibal Corpse lyrics going forward.

So, he "re-tweeted" Tupac but does not endorse it? :)

>So, he "re-tweeted" Tupac but does not endorse it? :)

There might be a reason the Tupac reference didn't exactly come through.

Perhaps because he replaced all the people Tupac wished dead in his rap song with the names of SF politicians.

In the spirit of Tran's excuse, I only wish that his words were taken as seriously as Tupac's when it comes to consequences for saying them.

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