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Re: UNRWA-Hamas Relations

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Post by enterprise_cog »

gryzzly wrote: post #6
ametrau wrote: post #2

> Israel declassified an intelligence dossier detailing how the U.N. Palestinian refugee agency has allegedly been compromised by Hamas. This they have intel on. Other things... ah... they just didn't.

what are you implying? that Israel purposefully killed Palestinians? I’m curious there – if you are caring about innocent Arab lives – what other human suffering in Arab countries are you following closely and making cynical remarks about?

They have and are killing Palestinians on purpose. You don’t kill 30k+ and displace millions by not doing that. You don’t murder civilians carrying white flags if you’re not trying to kill them.

Re: UNRWA-Hamas Relations

#32

Post by cykros »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #8
gryzzly wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah it’s cool that UN hires active terrorists and that the West sponsors that, is that you are saying? or are you saying this not true? What are you actually saying?

It's not true. Out of 13000 employees a dozen were found to have committed acts of terrorism and were fired immediately once this was found out. That is definitely not "hiring active terrorists". It's what any org of that size would do.

A dozen were accused, and summarily terminated.

There has not been an investigation at this point. At least two of them are already dead.

Meanwhile, back at the too big to fail bank land, HSBC was found doing business with actual terrorist organizations, cartels, and engaging in government corruption, and they paid a fine that they themselves were able to set, and then go about their day. But a humanitarian organization that millions rely on for day to day life due to an occupying force that can't be bothered to comply with international law must be held to a higher standard. Or something.

Re: UNRWA-Hamas Relations

#33

Post by cykros »

gryzzly wrote: post #19
negidius wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaza is a ghetto controlled by a genocidal group at war with another genocidal group. It's an active war zone. It's not comparable to Silicon Valley. How does the 0.001% of employees being accused of involvement in the October 7 attack compare with the adult population of Gaza? How does it compare with the adult population of Israel and involvement in attacks on Gazan civilians? I think you are holding UNRWA to an im…

A relief agency that employs terrorists is being held to an impossible standard you think? It’s an impossible standard to not hire people who kill, kidnap and rape? And btw, 12 out 12000 is 0,1%. Also, it’s more like 10% btw, and 50% having personal family ties to Hamas.

If we're not funding and arming organizations known for killing, kidnapping, and raping, I'm glad to hear the IDF will not longer be receiving arms manufactured in the US and UK.

Meanwhile, it's amusing the rape claims keep coming, even though not one woman has actually claimed that she was raped. But sure, it was widespread. Most certainly near the pile of 40 beheaded babies. Except, whoops, Haaretz reported the list of those killed on 10/7, and only one person was under the age of 3. Given the number of those killed by the IDF themselves due to the Hannibal protocol, there's a pretty high chance even that one wasn't killed by Hamas, who was more interested in military targets.

There's a reason all the songs go "lie lie lie lie lie lie..."

Re: UNRWA-Hamas Relations

#34

Post by cykros »

gryzzly wrote: post #23
negidius wrote: post #20

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Sorry, that should have been 0.1%. The claim about 10% doesn't seem to say much. What does it mean exactly for someone to be a "Hamas/PIJ operative"? Has UNRWA been told who these people are and what they have done? I suspect we will eventually find out if there was any truth behind the allegations against the 12 (or 13) specific people accused of involvement in the attack, but I doubt we will ever learn anything abo…

so do you think that in a family where father is launching rockets indiscriminately at people, the mom will be teaching children about coexistance and building a peace loving community?

When you're facing an illegal occupation, firing rockets back is called resistance, and there's a reason it is widely recognized as legitimate.

As for how indiscriminate it is, hard to take seriously from someone who's defending a regime that has actively carpet bombed cities for the past 4 months.

Re: UNRWA-Hamas Relations

#35

Post by gryzzly »

enterprise_cog wrote: post #29
gryzzly wrote: post #10

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point 1 in the linked document: "Out of approx. 12,000 UNRWA employees in GS, about 10% arc Hamas/PI operatives and about 50% are first degree relatives with a Hamas operative." and you know it’s not true, how? Most western governments, United States, Germany, Japan, Italy, the United Kingdom and France suspended funding based on intelligence that is worse than yours, so the world requires the source of information y…

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so all the governments i listed are just using a bogus paper and just change their many decades long policy of providing unrwa with money? you are into conspiracy theories i assume?

Re: UNRWA-Hamas Relations

#36

Post by gryzzly »

cykros wrote: post #34
gryzzly wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so do you think that in a family where father is launching rockets indiscriminately at people, the mom will be teaching children about coexistance and building a peace loving community?

When you're facing an illegal occupation, firing rockets back is called resistance, and there's a reason it is widely recognized as legitimate. As for how indiscriminate it is, hard to take seriously from someone who's defending a regime that has actively carpet bombed cities for the past 4 months.

widely recognized as legitimate? indiscriminate rocket launches at villages, towns and cities is a war crime and is not recognized ny anyone apart from purple haired 19 yo tiktok watchers, there is not a single official entity apart from Iran-proxies who see that as legitimate resistance, you are absolutely insane suggesting that

Re: UNRWA-Hamas Relations

#37

Post by gryzzly »

cykros wrote: post #33
gryzzly wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A relief agency that employs terrorists is being held to an impossible standard you think? It’s an impossible standard to not hire people who kill, kidnap and rape? And btw, 12 out 12000 is 0,1%. Also, it’s more like 10% btw, and 50% having personal family ties to Hamas.

If we're not funding and arming organizations known for killing, kidnapping, and raping, I'm glad to hear the IDF will not longer be receiving arms manufactured in the US and UK. Meanwhile, it's amusing the rape claims keep coming, even though not one woman has actually claimed that she was raped. But sure, it was widespread. Most certainly near the pile of 40 beheaded babies. Except, whoops, Haaretz reported the lis…

liar

Re: UNRWA-Hamas Relations

#38

Post by gryzzly »

cykros wrote: post #33
gryzzly wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A relief agency that employs terrorists is being held to an impossible standard you think? It’s an impossible standard to not hire people who kill, kidnap and rape? And btw, 12 out 12000 is 0,1%. Also, it’s more like 10% btw, and 50% having personal family ties to Hamas.

If we're not funding and arming organizations known for killing, kidnapping, and raping, I'm glad to hear the IDF will not longer be receiving arms manufactured in the US and UK. Meanwhile, it's amusing the rape claims keep coming, even though not one woman has actually claimed that she was raped. But sure, it was widespread. Most certainly near the pile of 40 beheaded babies. Except, whoops, Haaretz reported the lis…

you are an antisemite liar, I bet you deny holocaust too.

Re: UNRWA-Hamas Relations

#39

Post by gryzzly »

enterprise_cog wrote: post #31
gryzzly wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what are you implying? that Israel purposefully killed Palestinians? I’m curious there – if you are caring about innocent Arab lives – what other human suffering in Arab countries are you following closely and making cynical remarks about?

They have and are killing Palestinians on purpose. You don’t kill 30k+ and displace millions by not doing that. You don’t murder civilians carrying white flags if you’re not trying to kill them.

You are a demonising antisemite, that’s all. I wish for your family to never have to run to the bomb shelters or bury a relative who was killed by a terrorist.

Re: UNRWA-Hamas Relations

#40

Post by gryzzly »

enterprise_cog wrote: post #30
gryzzly wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel did have whatever intelligence that it could gather and made a lot effort there – https://www.newsweek.com/israel-implemented-more-measures-pr... , and Hamas is to blame for the civilian deaths. Hamas also openly says that – “And we are proud to sacrifice martyrs.” https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/12/08/hamas-says-it-is-proud...

Your first link is some random opinion piece with zero evidence provided. Why are you posting that?

your answers are useless thoughtless blabbering without touching on any of the points, why are you posting this?
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