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Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by antoniuschan99 »

patapong wrote: post #26

I think we are now at a stage where VR hardware has surpassed software. Between this and the Quest 3, we have powerful, polished and consumer friendly devices, but beyond a few niches (fitness, simulation, gaming to some extent), there is nothing to convince users to put the headsets on. I am hoping we will see a lot of experimentation in the coming years, and I am excited for what the Apple ecosystem will bring to t…

I think if it was an iphone accessory then it would have convinced more users because it would be $1000 since it’s just the display and sensors where iphone would drive all the compute

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Post by matt3210 »

wombat-man wrote: post #138
joshstrange wrote: post #106

I know it's v1, I know it's expensive, I know it's limited but I cannot wait to get my hands on it this Friday. Even with just 1 4k floating screen I think it would be a winner for me but I'm also really excited to see what people come up with in VisionOS itself. I think for a while the sweet spot (for me) with be using a virtual monitor and a handful of VisionOS apps as well. Eventually I hope to be able to pull mac…

Well it's QHD not 4k. I don't think you'll be able to pull windows out of the mac screen, but apps you might need are in vision OS anyway like safari or messages. I think my dream would be dual 4k monitors, or maybe a double wide?

It’s 5k with normal Mac scaling for ui similar to a Mac display… also, there is a proof of concept for bringing mac windows into the space

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by 015a »

aloer wrote: post #132

It is interesting how many here are excited about this for productive computer work. It’s also what Apple advertises with. But what is the account situation like? For years I’ve been complaining that I can’t easily use my private iPad with my company Mac because they have separate Apple IDs. Things like sidecar for a quick virtual whiteboard are basically impossible. AirPods have gotten better over the years where to…

Man I've felt this for YEARS and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with all the youtubers and influencers proclaiming Apple's Connected Ecosystem as such as productivity advantage.

Either you can't sign in with your personal Apple account, or you shouldn't (because MDM). So the only way to access anything associated with iCloud is what is available on the iCloud web portal; which is a horrible experience. You can't do sidecar. You can't do airdrop, copy-paste, continuity camera, nothing.

I've only ever used Macs in a professional environment. I've, also, always had a Mac and iPhone as personal devices. But I've never made the jump toward saying "Ok I'm actually using iCloud Seriously now" for this single reason. The best Google Cloud experience is available in a web browser, which I can be signed-in to on everything. Google Drive is everywhere. The list goes on.

Its such a crystalline example of why Apple's walled garden actually hurts themselves.

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Post by volemo »

mvkel wrote: post #617
al_borland wrote: post #565

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The biggest thing for me, from the Verge review, was the limited field of view. Apple sold it as filling the users entire field of view and it sounds like that isn’t the case. When I first saw the reality of the Microsoft HoloLens, that was my disappointment there as well… Google Glass as well. I don’t want to feel like I’m wearing an AR device, as so far, that’s what everything has looked like. Limits of the technol…

That was the surprise to me too. Lower FOV than a Quest 3? Inexcusable.

That’s a double edge sword though. Were they to make it 180°, we would critique it for spreading the precious pixels. “With those 4K your virtual monitor is 1080p at most!”

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Post by jojobas »

mvkel wrote: post #617
al_borland wrote: post #565

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The biggest thing for me, from the Verge review, was the limited field of view. Apple sold it as filling the users entire field of view and it sounds like that isn’t the case. When I first saw the reality of the Microsoft HoloLens, that was my disappointment there as well… Google Glass as well. I don’t want to feel like I’m wearing an AR device, as so far, that’s what everything has looked like. Limits of the technol…

That was the surprise to me too. Lower FOV than a Quest 3? Inexcusable.

Even with that FOV and the highest resolution display they could get, it still can only emulate a 15" display comfy 70cm from your eye at a whopping resolution of 940x540.

It's a gimmick priced as 2.5 monitor stands.

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Post by vel0city »

IggleSniggle wrote: post #532
nvarsj wrote: post #505

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This iPhone trope has gotta die. I worked at Motorola when the iPhone came out. Every single engineer knew this thing would blow everything else out of the water. It was one of the largest leaps in consumer tech devices ever. I assure you the Vision Pro is nowhere close to that.

I remember being angry that my Moto Razr V3 had the power to run awesome software but as a teenager I didn't have an easy way to boot stuff up on it. IMHO it was a perfect phone, except there was no way to run what I wanted. The best I could do was program text messaging services and use those. They discontinued the phone rather than give consumers the freedom to just use the hardware. I thought the iPhone was dumb,…

Loads of phones could side-load J2ME apps. I never owned a RAZR V3, but I imagine it would have supported J2ME apps as well as I ran them on even crappier phones. The first things I'd install on my dumbphones back in 2005 was Google Maps and Opera Mini. I'd grab all kinds of J2ME games off Zedge and other sites and copy them over back in the day.

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Post by zaptrem »

matt3210 wrote: post #672
wombat-man wrote: post #138

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Well it's QHD not 4k. I don't think you'll be able to pull windows out of the mac screen, but apps you might need are in vision OS anyway like safari or messages. I think my dream would be dual 4k monitors, or maybe a double wide?

It’s 5k with normal Mac scaling for ui similar to a Mac display… also, there is a proof of concept for bringing mac windows into the space

Can you link the PoC? I'm suprised someone hasn't built an app for this yet.

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Post by dr_kiszonka »

barrkel wrote: post #354
joshspankit wrote: post #306

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On Windows of all places (95ish to MEish) there was a remote tool called radmin and it had something that I wish companies had embraced: it hooked in to (maybe even before?) the window-rendering functions and sent the changes over the network. It’s hard to explain exactly what I mean because everyone is so used to streaming pictures of the screen over the network (if they even use remote access at all), but you could…

This is how Windows Remote Desktop used to work - it would forward GDI instructions to be rendered remotely. It falls apart as UIs got richer, browsers in particular: they're entirely composited in-app and not via GDI, because GDI isn't an expressive enough interface. So you end up shipping a lot of bitmaps, and to optimize you need to compress them. You might as well compress the whole screen then. https://www.anand…

I wonder how this works exactly. RDP lets me connect to a single monitor Win 11 host and display it on my client's three monitors. Everything is super smooth including browsers (I am connecting via Ethernet). Is the host managing the three screens or does the RDC do it on the client's side?

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Post by teekert »

nvarsj wrote: post #505
Johnie wrote: post #424

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Reminds me of iPhone 1. Everything you've said is reminiscent of the reviews of the first iPhone.

This iPhone trope has gotta die. I worked at Motorola when the iPhone came out. Every single engineer knew this thing would blow everything else out of the water. It was one of the largest leaps in consumer tech devices ever. I assure you the Vision Pro is nowhere close to that.

I do think iPhone is often made more mythical than it was. Sure it was good and we could finally use our sausage fingers to navigate it. But I recently heard someone say on Radio that iPhone was the first phone with a touch screen. Meanwhile me an the guys (yeah all guys) we’re rocking Sony Ericsson P800’s and the like in 2003,4,5.

I had an HTC touch when iPhone came out and I was most envious that you could do two finger zooming in Google maps instead of tapping zoom buttons.

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Post by VikingCoder »

I remember people laughing that the iPod had less storage, less features, didn't sound as good, and was more expensive than other mp3 players already on the market.

People forget that the brand Apple carries so much freaking weight.

People buy the Apple lifestyle. Which now includes AR goggles.

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