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codeulike wrote: post #402
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #355

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The first iPhone was pretty terrible. I couldn't get my Marketing peers to take it seriously (which they came to regret). The first Watch was awful. I love my Series 8. Don't get me started on the first Mac...

The first iPhone was pretty terrible Before Steve stood on that stage in 2007 and demoed the first iPhone, most people had never even seen 'swipe to scroll'. The first iPhone absolutely kicked the arse of everything else. So what if it was 2G that was how most phones were back then. The only objection anyone could think off (e.g. Ballmer) was that it was expensive.

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Post by Rapzid »

codeulike wrote: post #402
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #355

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The first iPhone was pretty terrible. I couldn't get my Marketing peers to take it seriously (which they came to regret). The first Watch was awful. I love my Series 8. Don't get me started on the first Mac...

The first iPhone was pretty terrible Before Steve stood on that stage in 2007 and demoed the first iPhone, most people had never even seen 'swipe to scroll'. The first iPhone absolutely kicked the arse of everything else. So what if it was 2G that was how most phones were back then. The only objection anyone could think off (e.g. Ballmer) was that it was expensive.

Agreed. It had limitations but at the time nobody was "this phone sucks" because what it did have was fucking amazeballs and clearly the first glimpse at the future. We were witnessing a paradigm shift and aware of it while it was happening.

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Post by abaymado »

zmmmmm wrote: post #276

Lots of surprises on the downside from all the reviews. Pass through much more limited in quality with motion blur, pixelation, distortions, limited color and dynamic range. The eye tracking driven input method which was seen as holy grail turns out to be annoying after a while because people don't naturally always look at what they want to click on. Personas straight up aren't ready. The lack of AR features is the b…

"Want it for entertainment? people want to enjoy photos, videos, movies with other people and it can't include them. Even if they have a Vision Pro, I haven't yet seen any sign of ability for multiple people to do these things together."

This is not accurate, FaceTime has Share Play. Any app that leverages it can build a synced entertainment. Example out of the box, Apple TV, Freeform, Apple Music.

I wish the SDK for Share Play was not tied with FaceTime, since it limits you to only people you have their iCloud email or phone number to. Big Screen on Quest was a great app that leveraged the idea of multiple users in the same VR session, based on interest, Quest just lacked the quality.

https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/shareplay-watch-liste...

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Post by Johnie »

zmmmmm wrote: post #276

Lots of surprises on the downside from all the reviews. Pass through much more limited in quality with motion blur, pixelation, distortions, limited color and dynamic range. The eye tracking driven input method which was seen as holy grail turns out to be annoying after a while because people don't naturally always look at what they want to click on. Personas straight up aren't ready. The lack of AR features is the b…

Reminds me of iPhone 1.

Everything you've said is reminiscent of the reviews of the first iPhone.

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Post by klabb3 »

38 wrote: post #349
dwaite wrote: post #244

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You can just bluetooth to any device. However, pairing an audio device is an exchange of settings and encryption keys, and Apple will sync that pairing that to your entire account. Hold your AirPods near your Phone and tap the button to create the initial pairing, and they start working with your Mac and Apple TV.

that doesn't explain the previous status quo, which appears to be that previous (and maybe current) incarnations cant Bluetooth pair without an apple ID.

I have many fights to pick with Apple. Pairing of accessories is not one of them. Honestly, if I stop using iPhone in the future, it’s likely I’ll stop using my AirPods as well. There’s in either case very little point paying premium for Apple accessories and pairing them over Bluetooth.

Bluetooth is one of the worst protocols to work with. That goes for both implementers and users. It’s one of the key selling points of Apple devices - they just work together.

Troubleshooting which device is hijacking the Bluetooth speaker is not how I want to spend my relax time. And don’t get me started on anything IoT. Solving the pairing issue is a massive selling point.

As for Apple ID specifically, I know that it’s used for tracking lost devices, and connecting with other devices that you may not have paired individually in a n^2 fashion. It could be, for instance, that Bluetooth pairing would conflict with apples own discovery/ownership protocol - say you only use BT (no account) and then an iPhone with temp access to your AirPods could “take over” your AirPods since they didn’t have a logical owner before.

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Post by pazimzadeh »

ssl-3 wrote: post #401
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #371

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> The first iPhone was pretty terrible. I definitely do not think that opinion was widespread. If anything I think that the biggest discussed shortcoming of the first iPhone was that it was only available on AT&T.

For example: It didn't multitask, even though other pocket computers for a Long Time had at least the appearance of multitasking. It didn't have the ability to install any additional software, even though other pocket computers for a Long Time handled third-party software just fine. It didn't even have a copy/paste function, even though [WTF? Srsly, Apple?]. All of these things were eventually corrected by Apple, but…

Yeah, but the first iPod touch was great. It came out only 3 months after the iPhone.

It seems like the Vision Pro 1 has the M2 so that when the Vision, or Vision Air comes out, it will be at least as powerful as the first Pro. And the Pro 2 can have the M3.

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Post by sarlalian »

checkyoursudo wrote: post #352
epolanski wrote: post #327

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The first two iWatches were borderline pointless/bad. The first two iPhones weren't as innovative as they make them,just more polished than other symbians with cameras and internet, it took off with apps really in third iteration. I think visionpro has lots of opportunities in the next iterations, early users will provide feedback this gen.

Are current watches good? I genuinely don't know and am interested. I hadn't gotten one because I was an early iPhone adopter (Gen 1), but haven't been willing to be an early adopter since then. But I would like a watch, if they are good now.

I'm sure the later ones are also great, but as of Apple Watch 4, they are quite compelling depending on what your needs are. From a fitness / voice assistant button on the wrist, getting notifications without pulling your phone out standpoint the Series 4 and later are all fantastic.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

herval wrote: post #387
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #371

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> The first iPhone was pretty terrible. I definitely do not think that opinion was widespread. If anything I think that the biggest discussed shortcoming of the first iPhone was that it was only available on AT&T.

It was usable on any other network, I had one and it wasn’t AT&T locked Compared to all the smartphones of the time, it was a slow toy with no apps and a 2G connection that was completely worthless It looked nice though, and eventually it got an app store (unnoficially first), and the overall UX was a clear winner (nobody believed touch screens would ever replace blackberry style devices!)

https://appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/10/apple_att_origina...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_iPhone

> When Apple announced the iPhone on January 9, 2007,[38] it was sold only with AT&T (formerly Cingular) contracts in the United States.[32] After 18 months of negotiations, Steve Jobs reached an agreement with the wireless division of AT&T[39] to be the iPhone's exclusive carrier. Consumers were unable to use any other carrier without unlocking their device.

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Post by rfwhyte »

I find it somewhat feckless how basically every review I've read so far of the Vision Pro seems focused more on the "Potential" of the device than on the current reality of the device itself. Every fault is seemingly boot-licked away with promises of how it'll all be "Better" in the future. A fancy VR headset that costs more money than the majority of humans on earth earn in an entire year of their lives should honestly be arriving a lot more fully baked than it seems the Vision Pro is. But hey, just keep giving Apple your money, cause if you give them enough of it they'll have to eventually make a version of this thing that actually delivers on their BS promises right?

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Post by schmorptron »

H8crilA wrote: post #332
ghc wrote: post #204

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I was confused as well, so I checked various European languages for what their word for billion is. I suspect they are french, using an abbreviation for milliard, the French word for billion.

Not just French, also for example German and Polish. Milion, Miliard, Bilion, Biliard = Million, Billion, Trillion, Quadrillion (neither are justified because neither start at the beginning, that is at a thousand :) )

This is one of the places where the US has a better naming standard than us in the EU imo. Just feels much more intuitive to count up with Bi, Tri without doubling them up every time.
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