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Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by huytersd » Tue, Jan 30, 2024, 9:56 PM UTC

tunesmith wrote: post #7

One of the aspects of the device that has been under-realized is that when mirroring your desktop/laptop display to the AVP, you can't break out its applications into different areas. You can't pull them away from the desktop window. This is one of those things that Apple never claimed was supported, and yet there's something about that behavior that feels like such a natural intuitive implication to the technology t…

I guess there is something to the macpro being able to handle the output for one screen at a time. If it has to render 4k outputs for 10 different screens simultaneously, performance is going to suffer.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by SushiHippie » Tue, Jan 30, 2024, 9:56 PM UTC

lapetitejort wrote: post #22

cpdean wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagining all the people getting first-degree burns on their face trying to open jetbrains applications.

I don't see the problem as long as they're using dark mode

They probably meant the heat the CPU generates when opening heavy programs

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by jkubicek » Tue, Jan 30, 2024, 9:57 PM UTC

zemo wrote: post #102

am I hearing things or at 6:28 does she call her dog "Browser"

Yeah, that's her dog's name. In addition to being a dog, he's also a published author: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dumb-delightful-world-of-pe...

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by crooked-v » Tue, Jan 30, 2024, 9:58 PM UTC

38 wrote: post #236

aloer wrote: post #132

It is interesting how many here are excited about this for productive computer work. It’s also what Apple advertises with. But what is the account situation like? For years I’ve been complaining that I can’t easily use my private iPad with my company Mac because they have separate Apple IDs. Things like sidecar for a quick virtual whiteboard are basically impossible. AirPods have gotten better over the years where to…

> AirPods have gotten better over the years where today I can freely switch between devices belonging to different Apple IDs with the same AirPods. What the fuck. The fact that an apple ID is even involved is absurd. Should be able to just Bluetooth to any device.

You can.

The "freely switch" here is referring to the W-chip multi-device support that will on the fly switch between any number of Apple devices based on what's actively being used at the time, without needing to do any manual connection stuff.

Other non-proprietary Bluetooth devices will generally do 2 devices at most, and getting that to work right with microphone input settings can be kind of a nightmare.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by jayd16 » Tue, Jan 30, 2024, 9:59 PM UTC

AlexandrB wrote: post #166

patapong wrote: post #26

I think we are now at a stage where VR hardware has surpassed software. Between this and the Quest 3, we have powerful, polished and consumer friendly devices, but beyond a few niches (fitness, simulation, gaming to some extent), there is nothing to convince users to put the headsets on. I am hoping we will see a lot of experimentation in the coming years, and I am excited for what the Apple ecosystem will bring to t…

Underlying a lot of these discussions is the assumption that there is a future where this is an actually useful, mass-market device. I'm still not convinced this is true. For example, "killer apps/content" never arrived for 3D TVs and they have largely disappeared from the market. Same with various "waggling" input technologies like the Wiimote and Kinect. There were some compelling uses, like Wii Sports, but these w…

>Same with various "waggling" input technologies like the Wiimote and Kinect.

Hasn't VR taken over waggle? I don't think you can say its disappeared when the VR install base is in the 10s of millions.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by SoftTalker » Tue, Jan 30, 2024, 10:00 PM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #211

aloer wrote: post #132

It is interesting how many here are excited about this for productive computer work. It’s also what Apple advertises with. But what is the account situation like? For years I’ve been complaining that I can’t easily use my private iPad with my company Mac because they have separate Apple IDs. Things like sidecar for a quick virtual whiteboard are basically impossible. AirPods have gotten better over the years where to…

> But is the Vision Pro like that as well? It's actually far worse. There's a single user and a "guest mode", but for AR/VR to work with, there's a calibration step, which means that the guest has to go through that step every single time they want to use the device. It might be fine for a real guest using it once, but it would be basically impossible to share the device with someone else. Having to setup the device…

Of course. They want to sell them locked to a user so that every employee or family member needs their own, and can't use the same one at work and at home.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by gorkish » Tue, Jan 30, 2024, 10:01 PM UTC

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #50

cududa wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems very reasonable this will be a future feature. I've long suspected iPad OS' stage manager feature shipping so half baked was really more of getting the platform ready to support multiple apps and easier manipulation (from a developer perspective) of the double buffered "window" textures - given Vision Pro is based on iPad OS. With Stage Manager on macOS now, it feels like they have all the primitives in plac…

They can already do this with the desktop composition software they use today. All the windows are virtualized onto backing layers that you can draw anywhere and add effects to. It’s how window shadows work, and how certain window effects are done. They just haven’t done it.

> They just haven’t done it.

Literally nobody has done it. It's beyond ridiculous that you can't already show or duplicate an application window on any display you want and allow it to be controlled from anywhere it is visible.

Searching for ways to do this lead one into extremely niche software ecosystems. Please is there any collaboration app out there that makes it seamless to toss windows around like everyone actually wants?

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by arctac » Tue, Jan 30, 2024, 10:02 PM UTC

7x the price of Quest 3 which does exactly the same, no thank you.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by stephc_int13 » Tue, Jan 30, 2024, 10:03 PM UTC

I quite often have buyer impulse when seeing the newest high-end Apple products. Even if I don't like the brand monopoly, even if I find their design language mostly boring and bland, there is often something weirdly appealing in their marketing.

But in this case, I would probably try this device during half a day if someone gave it to me, but I feel zero desire to own or use one.

It does not enable anything that I can't do better with a real computer, a TV or a smartphone.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by huytersd » Tue, Jan 30, 2024, 10:03 PM UTC

callalex wrote: post #237

sleepybrett wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be less of an issue for me if we start seeing native builds of popular IDEs like xcode, intelli-j/goland, etc for vision pro (and other apps for other people say photoshop). I think of the 'projected screen' feature more like a compatibility layer like Rosetta 2. You use it until you get a native build then it stops being a thing you bother with.

That will never happen. Nobody will make real software for iOS because nobody wants to pay a 30% fee for the privilege of randomly having their whole business shut down when an app reviewer is in a bad mood.

What world do you live in? The iOS App Store is probably the most full fledged and populated app ecosystem there is.